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Title: Battle of the engines
Post by: Capt. Le Velle on July 20, 2008, 05:09:49
-outboard the most popular with fishing boats

-inboard popular with small boats and jet skis

-stern drive popular with offshore racing boats

and yes the 2nd is a inboard and the 3rd one is a stern drive

here are some more pics

the last one is a offshore racing boat going 170 mph
Title: Re: Battle of the engines
Post by: Agent|Austin on July 20, 2008, 05:56:38
Inboard #2

Twin Yamaha High Output Engines on my Uncles 23ft boat.

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3100/2641500534_eb0b83b502.jpg)

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3089/2641502732_2b259f0325.jpg)
Title: Re: Battle of the engines
Post by: Capt. Le Velle on July 20, 2008, 05:59:30
there nice and their high output but still no match for the awsome power of the twin 600 hp each stern drive and thats a small stern drive for a racing boat
Title: Re: Battle of the engines
Post by: Agent|Austin on July 20, 2008, 06:29:03
there nice and their high output but still no match for the awsome power of the twin 600 hp each stern drive and thats a small stern drive for a racing boat
Yes but stern drives are ugly and props cut off limbs.  :P
Title: Re: Battle of the engines
Post by: Ship Sim on July 20, 2008, 08:40:55
Are old boat has a 1970s Johnson 50hp outboard. Runs alright and when its at full throttle it puts out a good amount of speed. ;)(also alot of noise. To talk you have to yell loud) :D We took it out thursday. Cought 30 preety good size croaker and a spot.<-fish...
Title: Re: Battle of the engines
Post by: IRI5HJ4CK on July 20, 2008, 09:00:54
I like inboards, because they can't get robbed ::) :D
Title: Re: Battle of the engines
Post by: trains on July 20, 2008, 15:46:53
i like outboard. they look good on lots of boats.
Title: Re: Battle of the engines
Post by: Capt. Le Velle on July 20, 2008, 15:58:58
so what if stern drives are ugly. and outboards can cut limbs you have to stay away for the prop.  and with inboards you have to deal with overheating and carbon monoxide
Title: Re: Battle of the engines
Post by: Agent|Austin on July 20, 2008, 18:01:29
so what if stern drives are ugly. and outboards can cut limbs you have to stay away for the prop.  and with inboards you have to deal with overheating and carbon monoxide

Carbon Monoxide comes with ANY engine, ours outputs though the jets with the water, overheating really only happens if you get seaweed caught in your intakes and plugs like we had happen with out port engine, but they are easily accessible and you just pull it out, not our fault our friend needed a tow because his OUTBOARD fried up.
Title: Re: Battle of the engines
Post by: TerryRussell on July 20, 2008, 18:04:47
Stern drives shouldn't be ugly. You can't see mine, because they're under the bathing platform.
Title: Re: Battle of the engines
Post by: Agent|Austin on July 20, 2008, 18:10:28
Stern drives shouldn't be ugly. You can't see mine, because they're under the bathing platform.

Yes but then you also have the problem with props hitting the buttom, our depth meter is on the BOTTOM of the boat and there is NOTHING lower then it, because the jets sit up  higher and don't have anything that could hit the bottom.

The wake jets make is awesome to do figure 8's and jump your wake or go on a jetski and jump it.
Title: Re: Battle of the engines
Post by: Minime on July 20, 2008, 18:47:46
I think our stern drive is very beutiful
Title: Re: Battle of the engines
Post by: llamalord on July 20, 2008, 19:43:16
I think Stern Drives are the most simple to handle in medium sized boats like mine because you don't have to worry about them getting caught in tall sea-weed. ;)
Title: Re: Battle of the engines
Post by: DerBandit on July 20, 2008, 19:58:52
What is the point of this Poll  ???
Title: Re: Battle of the engines
Post by: Capt. Le Velle on July 20, 2008, 22:19:24
with stern drive if you get in shallow water you raise the prop up with a little thing called a trim tab.  and with inboards you have to deal with stupid hoses and rods that you dont need a outboard or a sterndrive and i like outboards i used to have one and now i got a chapperal with a stern drive and their are the same size and the stern drive goes 25 mph faster
Title: Re: Battle of the engines
Post by: TerryRussell on July 20, 2008, 22:23:23
The trim tabs are separate devices that are used to level the boat when its in motion. One on each side of the stern, usually.

The bit that raises and lowers the leg is known as "trim" as well, confusingly. Often called "drive trim". It is usually powered by hydraulic rams. Mine went wrong at the start of the season and cost me about 1,600 in all to replace an oil seal!  ???
Title: Re: Battle of the engines
Post by: Capt. Le Velle on July 20, 2008, 22:42:30
inboards dont have them
Title: Re: Battle of the engines
Post by: TerryRussell on July 20, 2008, 22:52:42
I've seen a couple that have trim tabs. But that's only on relatively small vessels (32 -36 foot).

But of course, there's no way you can raise the propellor with an inboard. SNAP! OOPS....
Title: Re: Battle of the engines
Post by: Agent|Austin on July 21, 2008, 00:24:03
I've seen a couple that have trim tabs. But that's only on relatively small vessels (32 -36 foot).

But of course, there's no way you can raise the propellor with an inboard. SNAP! OOPS....

Of course you can't raise the prop with an inboard, because it is a JET...  The jet is above the buttom of the hull anyway so you could hit the hull before you hit the jets.
Title: Re: Battle of the engines
Post by: Capt. Le Velle on July 21, 2008, 01:39:29
yea its a water jet just like a jet ski and it has a impeller
Title: Re: Battle of the engines
Post by: TerryRussell on July 21, 2008, 05:52:03
Of course you can't raise the prop with an inboard, because it is a JET...  The jet is above the buttom of the hull anyway so you could hit the hull before you hit the jets.

No, an inboard is where the engine sits... "inboard". That has nothing to do with the transmission method.

The vast majority of inboard engines are not jets, and the power is transmitted through a propellor, not a jet.

Stern drives are from an inboard.

Propellor shafts are from an inboard, unless they're from an outboard.  ;D In the case of inboard propellor shafts => SNAP. Which is what I said.

Outboards of course are the only engine which are not fitted inboard.  Doh!  ;)
Title: Re: Battle of the engines
Post by: Ship Sim on July 21, 2008, 07:34:07
One thing about outboards. If they go bad they are easy to take off. With inboards you have a large engine block to take out. Ive seen some on boats thet are bigger than car engines. :D
Title: Re: Battle of the engines
Post by: Capt. Le Velle on July 21, 2008, 15:02:46
just check to see if the ocean marine was right a stern drive is also called a inboard outboard or I/O
Title: Re: Battle of the engines
Post by: llamalord on July 21, 2008, 16:29:31
Just a random question, ???

A "Stern Drive" and "OutBoard" can lift up and down to help with plaining and trailering,

Has there ever been a "Inboard" that was able to lift it's shaft and prop like that?
Title: Re: Battle of the engines
Post by: Minime on July 21, 2008, 19:16:59
If you want to plaine the boat you need flaps right
Title: Re: Battle of the engines
Post by: Capt. Le Velle on July 21, 2008, 19:39:13
Just a random question, ???

A "Stern Drive" and "OutBoard" can lift up and down to help with plaining and trailering,

Has there ever been a "Inboard" that was able to lift it's shaft and prop like that?
Thats why inboards dont get the best gas mileage outboards and stern drive lift more boat out
Title: Re: Battle of the engines
Post by: Agent|Austin on July 21, 2008, 19:58:16
Thats why inboards dont get the best gas mileage outboards and stern drive lift more boat out

Boats would get HPG (Hours per gallon) not Miles per Gallon. :)
Title: Re: Battle of the engines
Post by: llamalord on July 21, 2008, 20:03:11
If you want to plaine the boat you need flaps right

Not really, :-\

With boats with tilting engines the thrust is enough to plain.
Title: Re: Battle of the engines
Post by: Capt. Le Velle on July 21, 2008, 20:14:06
fountain boats the racing boat company shows there sport boats in GPH but my chapperal was shown in MPG
Title: Re: Battle of the engines
Post by: llamalord on July 21, 2008, 20:22:49
I saw this kind of "Fountain" at the lake that has a 2 axle or 45 foot max. ;D

(http://www.carsct.com/pics/BF70502.jpg)
Title: Re: Battle of the engines
Post by: Capt. Le Velle on July 21, 2008, 20:28:05
that looks like a scarab
Title: Re: Battle of the engines
Post by: Capt. Le Velle on July 21, 2008, 20:33:06
I wish i had this fountain but i dont have a spare 800,000 US dollers
Title: Re: Battle of the engines
Post by: llamalord on July 21, 2008, 21:01:25
I've always wondered, Can you walk on the that kind of bow. ???
Title: Re: Battle of the engines
Post by: Capt. Le Velle on July 21, 2008, 21:02:19
you can but just dont wear shoes on it the paint jobs on it is about 5k

here is a link for the helm
http://www.fountainpowerboats.com/boats/sport/47ltg_9.htm

And heres the rest of the cabin
http://www.fountainpowerboats.com/boats/sport/47ltg_1.htm

If you like Fishing boats fountain has nice ones.. This one is a 38 tournament editon  It has a three Mercury 300HP

Top speed 75 Mph
Title: Re: Battle of the engines
Post by: llamalord on July 21, 2008, 21:11:56
Shoes, shoes? :o

I make my best friends take off their shoes on my $17,000 boat, I wouldn't let anyone on that boat with out a bunny suite and a full decontamination. ;D
Title: Re: Battle of the engines
Post by: Capt. Le Velle on July 21, 2008, 21:38:01
 48 EXPRESS CRUISER
 
 LOA:
48' 6" / 14.78
 
LOA w/ Extended Platform
51' / 15.5 m
 
Beam:
12' / 3.66 m
 
Weight, Dry:
24,000 lbs / 10,886 kgs
 
Fuel Capacity:
470 gallons / 1,779 L
 
Freshwater Capacity:
80 gallons / 303 L
 
Holding tank :
36 gallons / 136 L
 
Draft w/ Drive Down:
46" / 1.2 m
 
Deadrise:
22º
 
Cabin Headroom:
6' 5" / 1.96 m
 
Sleeping Capacity:
4
 
Recommended Power:
Triple 480 Cummins w/Twin Disc Surface Drives

Speed:
64 mph
 
Hull Warranty:
6 Years
 
Cruise (Fuel) at 50 mph:
36 gph
 
WOT (Fuel) w/480 Cummins:
72 gph at 64 mph
 
Maximun Cruising Range:
588 miles at 90% capacity
Title: Re: Battle of the engines
Post by: Agent|Austin on July 21, 2008, 21:40:36
I wish i had this fountain but i dont have a spare 800,000 US dollers

Of course you don't because dollers doesn't exist, I wish I had a spare 800,000 US Dollars though.
Title: Re: Battle of the engines
Post by: Capt. Le Velle on July 21, 2008, 21:52:35
LOA:
38' / 11.58 m
 
Beam:
10' 6" / 3.2 m
 
Fresh Water Capacity:
31 gallons / 117 L
 
Fuel Capacity:
300 gallons / 1,136 L
 
Dry Weight:
13,600 lbs*. / 6,182 kgs.
 
Deadrise:
22º
 
Sleeping Capacity :
2
 
Recommended Power:
Triple Mercury 300 Verado
 
Speed:
65 mph
 
Hull Warranty:
6 Years
 
Cruise (Fuel) at 48 mph:
42 gph
 
WOT (Fuel) w/ Triple 300 Verado:
90 gph at 65 mph
 
Maximun Cruising Range:
308 miles at 90% capacity

Cabin
http://www.fountainpowerboats.com/boats/fish/38lx_2a.htm

outside
http://www.fountainpowerboats.com/boats/fish/38lx_8.htm

Helm
http://www.fountainpowerboats.com/boats/fish/38lx_9.htm
Title: Re: Battle of the engines
Post by: TerryRussell on July 21, 2008, 22:54:49
Just a random question, ???

A "Stern Drive" and "OutBoard" can lift up and down to help with plaining and trailering,

Has there ever been a "Inboard" that was able to lift it's shaft and prop like that?

The stern drives don't actually lift up and down, they change angle.

Yes, most of the modern outboards can do that as well. You may have to pay a bit extra, but anything over about 25-30HP will liekly have that built in.
Title: Re: Battle of the engines
Post by: llamalord on July 21, 2008, 23:10:38
Remember Terry we have almost identical drives. ;)
Title: Re: Battle of the engines
Post by: mvsmith on July 21, 2008, 23:11:32
Boats with inboard engines usually have their screws outboard. :)
Inboard screws usually provide disappointing performance due to lack of water over the blades. :)
Yes, inboards can have screws that tilt.

Title: Re: Battle of the engines
Post by: Capt. Le Velle on July 22, 2008, 04:15:40
this was in a fountain offshore racing boat
Title: Re: Battle of the engines
Post by: TerryRussell on July 22, 2008, 09:01:43
Boats with inboard engines usually have their screws outboard. :)
Inboard screws usually provide disappointing performance due to lack of water over the blades. :)
Yes, inboards can have screws that tilt.

But inboard screws do have the advantage that they suffer less damage if a vessel goes aground. And I suppose these are good cases of inboard screws:
Title: Re: Battle of the engines
Post by: llamalord on July 22, 2008, 13:48:03
this was in a fountain offshore racing boat

If you look at picture #2,

They are in violation of coast guard law, there for they could be held by Coast Guard or Environmental Police for 48 hours without warrent.

"All Fire Extingishers mounted in vessels 26-40 feet in length must have at least two(2) type B-1 Hard Coast Guard Approved Fire Extingishers and they must be mounted in plain sight of all passengers and free of any hold." ;D
Title: Re: Battle of the engines
Post by: mvsmith on July 22, 2008, 14:02:10
Those are fans Terry. Let’s not get off-topic. ;D
Title: Re: Battle of the engines
Post by: TerryRussell on July 22, 2008, 16:23:23
Hi Marty.

Over here, both are known as "propellors" so it's OK.

Honest, Guv.  ;D