Ship Simulator
English forum => Ship Simulator 2008 => General discussions => Topic started by: maritiem on July 11, 2008, 11:19:22
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hi
i was wondering why are there no stern thrusters on the vermaas, ocean star and all those other big ships
and the sherpa do have them?
it's very difficult for me too steer those huge ships into the harbour without hitting something.
kind regards maritiem :)
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A big container ship like "Vermaas" would not have stern a thruster in reality, so she is correct in the way she is shown on Ship Simulator. The "Ocean Star" has two azipod drives at the stern which if rotated to 90 degrees or 270 degrees act as if they were a stern thruster, so she does not need an ordinary thruster at the stern. The VLCC "Latitude" would never be in a position to need one so she too is correctly modelled. Any manoeuvering she needed would be with the aid of tugs. Does that clear up the matter for you? "Fairmount Sherpa" is specially built to enable her to be held on station in a fixed position whilst serving oilrigs in heavy weather so she needs to be very manoeuverable that is why she is fitted out the way she is.
Angus.
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yes it's clear but i still think its a bit difficult ;D
maritiem
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That's one of the joys of this game, learning about how different types of vessels are maneuvered with varying propulsion units in varying conditions. Good luck and enjoy the ride!!
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Hello maritiem,
Handling big ships in reality is not easy either. Part of the pleasure to be had from the simulator is learning how to do things that are not easy. Do not give up, keep trying and you will get better with each try.
Angus.
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I really love the somewhat difficult manoeuvring! Imagine additional influence by means of a tidal stream or gale force weather. Than you may see how difficult it is to handle such a huge vessel! ;D
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A big container ship like "Vermaas" would not have stern a thruster in reality, so she is correct in the way she is shown on Ship Simulator. The "Ocean Star" has two azipod drives at the stern which if rotated to 90 degrees or 270 degrees act as if they were a stern thruster, so she does not need an ordinary thruster at the stern. The VLCC "Latitude" would never be in a position to need one so she too is correctly modelled. Any manoeuvering she needed would be with the aid of tugs. Does that clear up the matter for you? "Fairmount Sherpa" is specially built to enable her to be held on station in a fixed position whilst serving oilrigs in heavy weather so she needs to be very manoeuverable that is why she is fitted out the way she is.
Angus.
Why would vermaas never have a bow thruster? Same question goes with latitude.
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Why would vermaas never have a bow thruster? Same question goes with latitude.
Because they have TUGS that assist them in those manoeuvrings.
I really love the somewhat difficult maneuvering! Imagine additional influence by means of a tidal stream or gale force weather. Than you may see how difficult it is to handle such a huge vessel! ;D
Tell me about it, a storm was coming in and I was trying to get my uncles boat onto the lift, took my three trys, the boat was going diagonal, had to line it up just right or else you would hit the dock and have to hit full reverse, and if you threw a line to the dock your stern just swung around and hit the dock, good thing I had my training wheels on (bumpers)
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Well not in multiplayer ;D. You cant always expect a tug to be there you know.
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Well not in multiplayer ;D. You cant always expect a tug to be there you know.
Yes but this is a part of the realism, usually if a vessel that size is coming in a tug will be ready to assist.
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Yes but couldent they add a stern thruster just to make the manuvering easier?
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Yes but couldn't they add a stern thruster just to make the maneuvering easier?
Because it is un realistic, and they want you to have a challenge, not just to be able to slide in with no tugs.
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I like to have challenges, just when they don't make you crash into the dock ;D.
Besides, it would be safer :).
(I take safety way too seriously :P)
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I like to have challenges, just when they don't make you crash into the dock ;D.
Besides, it would be safer :).
(I take safety way too seriously :P)
If you like safety, use tugs. :P
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Perhaps I should ;D. Although, there is always a way to make something safer ;).
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Why would vermaas never have a bow thruster? Same question goes with latitude.
Angus never said Vernaas had no bow thruster. You should read posts carefully before questioning them.
It is silly, and a bit arrogant, to expect VSTEP to stick thrusters on any vessel you lack the skill to handle in its normal configuration.
Marty
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Angus never said Vernaas had no bow thruster. You should read posts carefully before questioning them.
It is silly, and a bit arrogant, to expect VSTEP to stick thrusters on any vessel you lack the skill to handle in its normal configuration.
Marty
Sorry Marty, I meant stern thruster. I must have been typing too fast ;D. Obviously you do not think I mean bow thruster because everyone knows that the vermaas has a bow thruster ;).
I do not think it is ignorant, I think it is safe :D.
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Sorry Marty, I meant stern thruster. I must have been typing too fast ;D. Obviously you do not think I mean bow thruster because everyone knows that the vermaas has a bow thruster ;).
I do not think it is ignorant, I think it is safe :D.
But a REAL vessel of that size DOES NOT HAVE STERN THRUSTERS. And VSTEP would have to re-write and modify the model if they wanted to add stern thrusters, and then re-do the dynamics of the ship...
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Ohh really? Well I am not talking about real vessels, I am talking about the fake ones. Just because a ship in real life does not have something, does not mean that we cant add-on to it. That is why it is called an add-on ;D.
I am not asking for V-STEP to remodel it, just saying that it would be better if it had on.
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the vermass is a very sipmel ship to controls and gose where ever you want her to stern thrusers would make an allready simple ship even sipleer to drive
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Not neccisarily. It would make the vermaas easier to dock, not to drive.
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the vermass is allready very simple to dock
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The Captain does not seem to understand that the purpose of Ship Simulator is to provide exercise
In ship handling, and that an attempt is made to make the exercise as realistic as possible. Adding unrealistic thrusters would trash the simulator and bring howls of protest from the competent users.
Perhaps a train simulator would be a better match to his abilities.
Marty
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to dock the vermass all you need if the dock in on you left you go trusters to port and full to starbord to bring the back level
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I got very very bored with train simulator. However, I was a perfect driver ;D.
I would not think that people would protest if they added 1 stern thruster to a ship :P. That is a little overdramatic. Perhaps if I asked for the vermaas to have 2 engines instead of one, that would cause a protest too? I find it very hard to mauver the vermaas with only one engine. I am satisfyed with ethier a stern thruster or 2 engines. Nothing more I ask.
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I got very very bored with train simulator. However, I was a perfect driver ;D.
I would not think that people would protest if they added 1 stern thruster to a ship :P. That is a little overdramatic. Perhaps if I asked for the vermaas to have 2 engines instead of one, that would cause a protest too? I find it very hard to mauver the vermaas with only one engine. I am satisfyed with ethier a stern thruster or 2 engines. Nothing more I ask.
I quite agree with The Captain. If you added one stern thruster, no change would be made at all. You see, those who want this simulator to be as real as possible, can simply not use the stern thruster, however those who don't can. Its quite simple...
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hard realy? the vermass is allmost as simple as the speed boats to drive dock and any thing else
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I quite agree with The Captain. If you added one stern thruster, no change would be made at all. You see, those who want this simulator to be as real as possible, can simply not use the stern thruster, however those who don't can. Its quite simple...
I agree with microsoft agreeing with me ;D. If you don't want to use it and want the game to be more challenging, then don't use it!
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ship are made to be as close to the real thing adding anuther engine or trurster would mean the whole ships would have to be re done with new dyamics and modeling
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But we arent asking them to remodel it! We are saying that it would have been beter if they made a second engine or stern thruster!
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well it is a case of do you want realistic ship or do you want a ship that has very little realism
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yeah... what does the arie visser have in common with the vermaas? Nothing. So why would a random ship in SS have to be remoddled just because a mass of steel was getting upgraded?
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So what you are saying is if they added a stern thruster or another engine, it would loose all its realisim? What you are saying is that there is absolutely no other cargo ship in the world with another engine?
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could you post a bit slower? i cant get my point round...
if you want the ship to have realism, dont use the stern thruster! simple! If you don't like in The Captains case, then feel free!
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if you where adding a stern truster and an other engine then the ships would need to be remodeld to occomodat the new addons as well as the dyamices redoing wich would take a long time
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could you post a bit slower? i cant get my point round...
if you want the ship to have realism, dont use the stern thruster! simple! If you don't like in The Captains case, then feel free!
Thank you microsoft :). This is seeming like a war rather than a debate. Us vs. pauljanaway1 ;D
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HELLOOOO! ANYONE HOME!? Its only the vermaas which needs remodleing... not the PoR, the pioneer, the ocean star... and all that stuff.
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if you where adding a stern truster and an other engine then the ships would need to be remodeld to occomodat the new addons as well as the dyamices redoing wich would take a long time
We arent adding anything! How many times do I have to say it? I would have perferred that the vermaas had another engine or a stern thruster >:(. Thats it. When did we start talking about asking V-STEP to add a stern thruster or another engine?
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why would you need another engine the vermass dose 25kn turns at over 80 degress per second if you cant dock it it's not the ships falt is't the oporator
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Crikey... missed it again :-[
You have to keep up with the pace microsoft ;D :P.
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thirteen years later... ;)
LOL ;D.
why would you need another engine the vermass dose 25kn turns at over 80 degress per second if you cant dock it it's not the ships falt is't the oporator
first, it would go faster.
Second, it would be easier to dock. I never said that I could not dock the vermaas, I said it would be easier.
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but in real life large cargo ships would not go at speed boat speeds the vermass is one of the most monoverble ships ingame to bring the back round just go full ahead and turn
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In real life, all cargo ships do is throw pollution in the air and carry tonnes of poisonus toxid liquid and crude oil. AND IF YOU WANT THE GAME TO BE REALISTIC, DONT USE THE STERN THRUSTER!!!
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Acctually, V-STEP should consider giving the Latitude an on-board portable refinery... :D
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why have them in the first place this is ship simulator it simulats shipping not ships that can do anything
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In real life, all cargo ships do is throw pollution in the air and carry tonnes of poisonus toxid liquid and crude oil. AND IF YOU WANT THE GAME TO BE REALISTIC, DONT USE THE STERN THRUSTER!!!
WOW, what a comeback ;D. Good one :D.
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why have them in the first place this is ship simulator it simulats shipping not ships that can do anything
What would we have ????
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Hey Paul, If you saw a pile of cheese on the floor, what would you do? :(
ROFL ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D.
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I got very very bored with train simulator. However, I was a perfect driver ;D.
I would not think that people would protest if they added 1 stern thruster to a ship :P. That is a little overdramatic. Perhaps if I asked for the vermaas to have 2 engines instead of one, that would cause a protest too? I find it very hard to mauver the vermaas with only one engine. I am satisfyed with ethier a stern thruster or 2 engines. Nothing more I ask.
But vessels of this size don't have two engines either! And they WOULD have to remodel it (add a stern thruster) and/or model it to have two props. If you don't like it then go play Virtual Sailor, it isn't a REALISTIC SIMULATOR. And you can make what ever you want.
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Hiya guys :)
Could we keep this on-topic please :)
Carl.
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yes we are tying to dicsue why adding trusters and an other engine to a ship would be unrealistic and would take a long time for minimal resalt and you are talking about cheeses
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he was stay keep on topic eg no cheese talk or anything not about the mater
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...but why does cheese have to go splat? You might ask... Or you might say... there are many useful things you can do with a discarded poor piece of mouldy cheese. Its mouldy... so you could mould it into a little model of a vermaas... WITH A STERN THRUSTER!!!
Oh sorry DJM, you were saying?
How would that be put into the simulator ??? ;D.
I am going to put this in bold letters because everyone thinks we are talking about V-STEP remodeling the vermaas...........
I do not want V-STEP to remodel the vermaas. I just thought that the vermaas would have been better if they added a stern thruster or another engine!I have said this about 5 times, yet, no one seems to care.
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but why would it need it or want it
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The captain..you didnt put it in bold. You put it in bold AND underlined. HAHAAAA!
Why whould we want it? to make docking cargo ships with on-board refineries and toxid gasses easier
No offence Paul, you have no sence of humor what-so-ever
2 posts combined, DJM.
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How would that be put into the simulator ??? ;D.
I am going to put this in bold letters because everyone thinks we are talking about V-STEP remodeling the vermaas...........
I do not want V-STEP to remodel the vermaas. I just thought that the vermaas would have been better if they added a stern thruster or another engine!I have said this about 5 times, yet, no one seems to care.
THEY WOULD NEED TO REMODEL THE SHIP TO HAVE ANOTHER PROPELLER AND BE SHAPED FOR DUAL PROPS! PLUS TWO ENGINES WOULD BE TOO BIG FOR THAT SIZE HULL BECAUSE THEY MADE IT WITH ONLY 1 ENGINE, EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T NEED TO GET INTO THAT MUCH DETAIL, BUT YOU WOULD NEED TOO MODEL ANOTHER PROP FOR THE OTHER ENGINE!
No offence Paul, you have no sence of humor what-so-ever
Please don't double post. And please read the rules. I have already reported one of your off-topic posts because it is just dumb. I won't refrain from reporting any others I continue to see.
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THEY WOULD NEED TO REMODEL THE SHIP TO HAVE ANOTHER PROPELLER AND BE SHAPED FOR DUAL PROPS! PLUS TWO ENGINES WOULD BE TOO BIG FOR THAT SIZE HULL BECAUSE THEY MADE IT WITH ONLY 1 ENGINE, EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T NEED TO GET INTO THAT MUCH DETAIL, BUT YOU WOULD NEED TOO MODEL ANOTHER PROP FOR THE OTHER ENGINE!
Please don't double post. And please read the rules. I have already reported one of your off-topic posts because it is just dumb. I won't refrain from reporting any others I continue to see.
Agent, did you even read what I had put in bold AND underlined letters? It doesent seem that you have, even though you quoted it.
The captain..you didnt put it in bold. You put it in bold AND underlined. HAHAAAA!
Why whould we want it? to make docking cargo ships with on-board refineries and toxid gasses easier
Yea, well, I decided to put an add-on addition in it ;D. Thought it might be more helpful ;D.
No offence Paul, you have no sence of humor what-so-ever
I concur, we need to install some in him. We just need to figure out his processor and get inside of him ;D.
3 posts combined, DJM.
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Agent, did you even read what I had put in bold AND underlined letters? It doesent seem that you have, even though you quoted it.
YES BUT THEY WOULD HAVE TO REMODEL THE VERMAAS TO ADD ANOTHER PROP, OR ELSE IT WOULD STILL ONLY HAVE ONE PROP BUT WITH TWO ENGINE CONTROLS! AND THE DYNAMICS WOULD GET MESSED UP HAVING TWO PROPS SPINNING WHEN THE HULL WAS DESIGNED FOR ONE PROP!
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Okay thats just stupid and pointless. for future reference, the CapsLock key is on the left hand side of the keyboard. Blimey... you're redicilious. Im trying not to double post, but we are all posting at the same time and its impossible. Could you please be a bit more sensible. >:(
And yes... remodleing the ship. It would take a life's time wouldnt it? adding a stern thruster to the Vermaas?
DJM, sorry about my double posts, creating a merging job for you... I hope you're not so narrow-minded and understand
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Okay thats just stupid and pointless. for future reference, the CapsLock key is on the left hand side of the keyboard. Blimey... you're redicilious. Im trying not to double post, but we are all posting at the same time and its impossible. Could you please be a bit more sensible. >:(
And yes... remodleing the ship. It would take a life's time wouldnt it? adding a stern thruster to the Vermaas?
Ok how about you go re-model and re-code the entire ship to add those then. :) I bet you know C++ don't ya...
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If I knew how to model simulators I would grab my coat and some cheese and go and remodel it! This is pathetic!! :o I'm talking about experts remodeling the thing!
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Guys, this is being taken way too seriously, and you're posting comments that are borderline abusive.
Please avoid multiple-posting, and avoid shouting. If you can't treat each other with respect, don't post.
Thank you.
Regards.
Carl.
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Ok fellas, I know I am not a moderator but that is enough arguing >:(. Moving on.
Now, agent what I am saying is that they could have done all of the tech stuff in the vermaas before they even thought about doing the design we see now. If they thought to be creative and put 2 thrusters and/or 2 propellers, they could have done it.
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Guys, this is being taken way too seriously, and you're posting comments that are borderline abusive.
Please avoid multiple-posting, and avoid shouting. If you can't treat each other with respect, don't post.
Thank you.
Regards.
Carl.
Hey, come on, I was ganna post the same thing >:( :P ;D.
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Okay... End of argument.
The vermaas needs a stern thruster and people who don't want it don't have to use it. We need this for people who find it hard to dock the vermaas. The dynamics need to be changed to add the movement of a stern thruster on the vermaas. The vermaas will also need to be modifyed. That is all. They don't need to modify any other ship.
END OF ARGUMENT AND POINTLESS TORTURE
ALL IN FAVOR OF ADDICTION SAY "I!" :D
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Ok fellas, I know I am not a moderator but that is enough arguing >:(. Moving on.
Now, agent what I am saying is that they could have done all of the tech stuff in the vermaas before they even thought about doing the design we see now. If they thought to be creative and put 2 thrusters and/or 2 propellers, they could have done it.
So you are just wondering why they didn't add one when they created the ship and are not asking for it to be added now???
Okay... End of argument.
The vermaas needs a stern thruster and people who don't want it don't have to use it. We need this for people who find it hard to dock the vermaas. The dynamics need to be changed to add the movement of a stern thruster on the vermaas. The vermaas will also need to be modifyed. That is all. They don't need to modify any other ship.
END OF ARGUMENT AND POINTLESS TORTURE
But this once again is not needed, it is a realistic simulator for people that want a challenge, in real life you can't just slap on a stern thruster to a ship because you find it a little difficult to dock. You have to use what you have. That is the fun in the game.
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Okay... End of argument.
The vermaas needs a stern thruster and people who don't want it don't have to use it. We need this for people who find it hard to dock the vermaas. The dynamics need to be changed to add the movement of a stern thruster on the vermaas. The vermaas will also need to be modifyed. That is all. They don't need to modify any other ship.
END OF ARGUMENT AND POINTLESS TORTURE
ALL IN FAVOR OF ADDICTION SAY "I!" :D
Not "I" :P.
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The Captain, I thought you wanted a stern thruster or another engine?
Oh... *sigh* I am not explaining the theory again for Agent Austin. I REPEAT
END OF ARGUMENT AND USELESS TORTURE
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So you are just wondering why they didn't add one when they created the ship and are not asking for it to be added now???
But this once again is not needed, it is a realistic simulator for people that want a challenge, in real life you can't just slap on a stern thruster to a ship because you find it a little difficult to dock. You have to use what you have. That is the fun in the game.
Precicely. I am just saying that it would have made a good addition to the vermaas, not that they need to add it.
In real life, if a ship was not stabel enough to controll, they might add a stern thruster or 2 propelors.
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yes in real life a captain cannot go "oh i wish this ship had a stern thruster" because 2 people find it to hard to use the rudder to make the back end come round then it dose not mean that it should be redone just live with the fact that is dose not have one it dose not have 2 engines
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I repeat
END OF ARGUMENT AND USELESS TORTURE
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Oh... *sigh* I am not explaining the theory again for Agent Austin. I REPEAT
Oh and The Captain, I thought you wanted a stern thruster or another engine?
END OF ARGUMENT AND USELESS TORTURE
I can read. But your thoughts aren't possible. Maybe you should fly to VSTEP and tell them that you would like to code the vermaas's new dynamics and stern thruster.
Final Answer: It isn't going to happen
yes in real life a captain cannot go "oh i wish this ship had a stern thruster" because 2 people find it to hard to use the rudder to make the back end come round then it dose not mean that it should be redone just live with the fact that is dose not have one it dose not have 2 engines
Just drop a thruster off the side of the ship. Wouldn't that be funny, temporary thruster. ;D
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Hey, why not have wings and a vertical take-off unit to make it really simple? ;D ;D ;D
Contrary to what Microsoft says, it ain't over until my ex-wife sings. ;D
Or until I lock the topic...
Now folks, as DJM said, "chill out!".
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I have removed all of the seriously off-topic posts about cheese and summoning deities, etc. Apart from being deliberately provacative, they were pointless.
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yes in real life a captain cannot go "oh i wish this ship had a stern thruster" because 2 people find it to hard to use the rudder to make the back end come round then it dose not mean that it should be redone just live with the fact that is dose not have one it dose not have 2 engines
No, in real life if I captain was having trouble maintaining the ship, they would in fact add something to the ship to make it stable. Perhaps a stern thruster or a second engine ;D.
The Captain, I thought you wanted a stern thruster or another engine?
Oh... *sigh* I am not explaining the theory again for Agent Austin. I REPEAT
END OF ARGUMENT AND USELESS TORTURE
I do. What made you think otherwize?
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Nice idea. Or as I said. A cargo ship is just a massive tonne of metal floating in the sea carrieing evil poisonus and toxic gasses and smelly crude oil in the depth.
Well you said "Not I"
Next man should phone the BTT (Board of temporary thrusters)
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No, in real life if I captain was having trouble maintaining the ship, they would in fact add something to the ship to make it stable. Perhaps a stern thruster or a second engine ;D.
I do. What made you think otherwize?
But they can't just take it into a dry dock and slap a new thruster on. It takes allot of money and allot of time to add something to a ship that wasn't designed to have one.
And if a captain was having problems, they would probably get a new captain before modifying the ships.
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Nice idea. Or as I said. A cargo ship is just a massive tonne of metal floating in the sea carrieing evil poisonus and toxic gasses and smelly crude oil in the depth.
Well you said "Not I"
Well, I said not I because I wanted to keep discussing the topic ;).
Cargo ships might be that, but without them, america would not get stuff from china ;D.
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yes adding another truster and a engine is not a small job in real life cargo ships are made in a way so that it has the larges cargo space avaluble why would they want to wast sapce with another engine and truster when what they have allready works so well
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Inappropriate comments removed by Terry, following warning above.
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why do you keep going off topic
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oops
wasnt really off topic
we were discussing what cargo ships were for with the captain
until now
SO, what have we learn't from this extreamly short thread, folks?
NEVER BECOME A CARGO SHIP CAPTAIN!
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D >:( :D :D :D
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we were discusing why the vermass dose not need a second engine or more trusters
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So, this is what it takes for Captain Titanic to crawl out of the woodwork.
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No. We were discussing why the vermaas does need a second engine or a stern thruster
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there are 10,000's or members of ships sim and 2 think it dose need it added
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there are 10,000's or members of ships sim and 2 think it dose need it added
25,408 members 2 witch "want" it.
that leaves 25,406 more captains that can pilot this vessel correctly!
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Thats because we havent heard the thoughts of the 10,000 people. There are only 3 or 4 people discussing it now. and If 2 out of three are in favour of a stern thruster, thats pretty good
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there is 4 me you, captain and agent that makes 4
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no, you don't count.
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i do as i am one of the people discsing it so i count as one
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I count as 2
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I count as 99... So be quiet.
Paul, seriously. no sence of humor....
Well goodbye guys im of to Turkey for summer holidays tomorrow... need to get to bed. I will only temporarily have access to a computer there. Bye!
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I really wouldn't want to see bow or stern thrusters on vessels that aren't supposed to have them.
I get a block vote of 5,000,000. ;)
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That's good then, maybe whilst you are away you will mature, (like cheese, it makes more scents when it is older).
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I count as 999,999,999,999... oh nevermind. I count as ∞
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25,408 members 2 witch "want" it.
that leaves 25,406 more captains that can pilot this vessel correctly!
Not neccisarily, not all"25,406" have read this topic you know ;D. There could be another 3,000 members that want this feature.
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So far you have wasted nearly five entire pages on a silly idea that will never happen.
And folks wonder why they are ignored by the developers.
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Hi guys,
I think this "yes, but if..." part of the discussion doesn't lead anywhere.
Even with the 'fake' vessels, they will NOT add unrealistic features or control methods.
The Vermaas, for example, might not really exsist, but ships just like her do in fact exsist in real life. Fake name, real ship. period.
Those ships do not have stern thrusters, so the Vermaas will not have one. Because it is supposed to be a realistic model of that type of ship.
Captains in real life have to make do with what they have, and so do you PC Captains. That's why it is a sim, not an arcade game.
And it indeed takes a whole lot of work to add such a feature to that one ship. it's not like "sticking in a virtuel prop on, and here we go!". A load of coding is involved, testing, etc..
I don't care if you think that the ones that don't need them won't have to use them, they are not there in real life, so they won't be there in the simulator.
Then they could be adding all sorts of silly things to the ships to make it easier for the ones that don't know how to handle them, or are unwilling to learn properly.
Period, end of story, not going to happen. Learn to sail her better and that's about enough of this constant ignorant repeat of a futile request by some of you that cannot take a hint!
Sorry if that sounded really grumpy.... it was meant to..
Regards,
Fred
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Hi guys,
I think this "yes, but if..." part of the discussion doesn't lead anywhere.
Even with the 'fake' vessels, they will NOT add unrealistic features or control methods.
The Vermaas, for example, might not really exsist, but ships just like her do in fact exsist in real life. Fake name, real ship. period.
Those ships do not have stern thrusters, so the Vermaas will not have one. Because it is supposed to be a realistic model of that type of ship.
Captains in real life have to make do with what they have, and so do you PC Captains. That's why it is a sim, not an arcade game.
And it indeed takes a whole lot of work to add such a feature to that one ship. it's not like "sticking in a virtuel prop on, and here we go!". A load of coding is involved, testing, etc..
I don't care if you think that the ones that don't need them won't have to use them, they are not there in real life, so they won't be there in the simulator.
Then they could be adding all sorts of silly things to the ships to make it easier for the ones that don't know how to handle them, or are unwilling to learn properly.
Period, end of story, not going to happen. Learn to sail her better and that's about enough of this constant ignorant repeat of a futile request by some of you that cannot take a hint!
Sorry if that sounded really grumpy.... it was meant to..
Regards,
Fred
Thanks for explaining to them, since they won't listen to me.
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Well said, Fred!
PS I still want vertical take-off jets for Latitude. Then I can get her into Portsmouth Harbour... ;D
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Well said, Fred!
PS I still want vertical take-off jets for Latitude. Then I can get her into Portsmouth Harbour... ;D
Never seen anything like a latitude in Portsmouth Harbour, I think a couple of good dredgers would be a good start!
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:o so many posts already i didn't expect that!
but i see that some people think that Vstep will remodel the vermaas AND THAT IS NOT TRUE i was just wondering why those huge ships don't have stern thrusters and that is clear for me.
and btw please stay on topic i have seen someone started talking about cheese. :-X
kind regards maritiem
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and btw please stay on topic i have seen someone started talking about cheese. :-X
kind regards maritiem
Hi Maritiem.
I have cleaned up this thread and removed the provacative and seriously off-topic posts. ;)
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Terry,
What I want to know is: Why didn’t VSTEP put bow thrusters on Red Eagle? ;D
Marty
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Hoho.
And what about the vertical take off jets for Red Jet 4?
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Terry,
What I want to know is: Why didn’t VSTEP put bow thrusters on Red Eagle? ;D
Marty
Probably because the real Red Eagles don't have them?
There is a good link here which shows the Red Osprey being stretched.
http://www2.redfunnel.co.uk/ferry-travel/passenger-vehicle-ferry-service/vehicle-ferry-fleet/red-osprey-picture-gallery
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As I think this topic has established, stern thrusters are not always required on ships. They are usually used whilst manoeuvring on/off a berth, anchoring or performing other manoeuvres. Cruise ships also use them when they are at anchor and need the keep the ship in a certain position, in order to to ensure passengers/crew can embark/disembark from the sheltered side of the vessel.
I'm working within the cruising industry, but the same principles are likely to apply to other ships - just be aware that for larger vessels (e.g. container ships and tankers), the numbers quoted below may be very different. From what I am aware though...
Bow or stern thrusters cannot be used at sea, whilst sailing at speed. They are usually switched on whilst approaching a port at around 10 knots. At 4 knots the thrusters are 50% effective, and for anything above 8 knots, they have little effect on the ships course. Some ships also have systems in place to prevent the thrusters being used at too high a speed. Most new cruise ships have two or three bow thrusters, along with 2 (sometimes 4) azipods. Stern thrusters are simply not needed since the azipods perform, in part, the same function. Some slightly older cruise ships may have one or two stern thrusters, but these are rarely used - apart from anchoring when the wind is blowing.
You may wonder why these ships have multiple thrusters - why not make do with just one? Well, there are several possible reasons, but one of the main ones is that if one of your thrusters goes wrong, you have others to use as backup - this is of particular importance when performing a manoeuvre where you have little room for error. There are also some ports (again, particularly relevant to the cruising industry), where no thrusters can be used within a specific distance from the pier - in such ports, tugs must be used to help berth the ship.
James
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Hi MH1,
Marty's post was a Joke, or did you not catch on? Wake up your humour department!!!
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Hi
You may wonder why these ships have multiple thrusters - why not make do with just one?
There are two mains reasons for that: The redundancy is one of them. The second one is that the thrust of the propeller depends mainly on the diameter and the speed. Increasing speed means increase problems of cavitation. And increasing the diameter raise obviously a problem of space in the hull. So for a same among of thrust needed, it 's better to have several thrusters than a bigger one.
Budbud
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Hi MH1,
Marty's post was a Joke, or did you not catch on? Wake up your humour department!!!
Doh! Even my "hoho" comment didn't give it away?
Still after some of the previous posts, I'm nor surprised MH1 missed the joke. It is getting difficult to tell the humour from the ridiculous... ;D
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Hi MH1,
Marty's post was a Joke, or did you not catch on? Wake up your humour department!!!
Surely it should have been posted as smalltalk/jokes then?
There are so many seemingly 'silly' questions posted on the forum now that it is difficult to seperate the true from the silly!!!
??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
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Hi guys,
I think this "yes, but if..." part of the discussion doesn't lead anywhere.
Even with the 'fake' vessels, they will NOT add unrealistic features or control methods.
The Vermaas, for example, might not really exsist, but ships just like her do in fact exsist in real life. Fake name, real ship. period.
Those ships do not have stern thrusters, so the Vermaas will not have one. Because it is supposed to be a realistic model of that type of ship.
Captains in real life have to make do with what they have, and so do you PC Captains. That's why it is a sim, not an arcade game.
And it indeed takes a whole lot of work to add such a feature to that one ship. it's not like "sticking in a virtuel prop on, and here we go!". A load of coding is involved, testing, etc..
I don't care if you think that the ones that don't need them won't have to use them, they are not there in real life, so they won't be there in the simulator.
Then they could be adding all sorts of silly things to the ships to make it easier for the ones that don't know how to handle them, or are unwilling to learn properly.
Period, end of story, not going to happen. Learn to sail her better and that's about enough of this constant ignorant repeat of a futile request by some of you that cannot take a hint!
Sorry if that sounded really grumpy.... it was meant to..
Regards,
Fred
I do not want V-STEP to remodel the vermaas! I thought!,(KEY WORD THOUGHT!)that it would have been better if they had put a stern thruster and/or a second engine on the vermaas! You know, this is the 6th!,time I had said this, yet, no one pays attention >:(. If all of you had paid any attention, this wouldent have gone on 5 pages >:(!
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MH1,
Had you followed the entire tiresome topic, you might have understood the context in which my remark was made. Too many posters, most of them juveniles, jump into a topic with no real understanding of what it is about.
Marty
The Captain,
It wasn’t so much about remodeling as about your silly suggestion that thrusters should have been included in the first place.
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Marty
The whole topic is pointless if you go right back to the first post from maritiem, one could assume that people who have an interest in SS08 have at least some concept of how ship's operate.
I agree with you entirely, but i must admit that i often do not go back and read every thread in a topic, far too long some of them and there are not enough hours in the day.
Take Terry's amusing Marmite topic for example!
Mike
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Ah, but the marmite topic is entertaining.
And at no point has anyone been bad tempered in it. If only all topics could be so much fun!
PS I still want a jump-jet version of Latitude.
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Hi James,
Thanks for your thoughtful input. Where were you when we needed you five pages ago? :)
I might add that for vessels like Vermaas there are other considerations that work against stern thrusters:
The wide stern, with shaft alley and other machinery makes it difficult to fit a tunnel thruster—which would suffer from the long tunnel. On the other hand, her draft leaves little room for an azimuthing thruster.
Regards,
Marty
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Fello forum members. It is in my honest opinion that it would have made a nice feature to any vessel. However, I see that I am a single apple on one branch, surrounded by other apples on all the other branches, wishing that a young apple such as myself had not been made into an apple at all. It seems that I stand out from all the rest of you apples out there. So.....
I do apoligise for any disturbence that has been made. I opoligise for my silly idea. I just thought it was creative and that it would make a fine addition to any ship. If no one likes my idea, so be it. But I still beleive in it, no matter what. A good person should never let go of an idea, just because all the other apples say to ;D... But, again, I do apoligise for anything that want wrong in this topic. I take full responibility. :-[. I am very very sorry :'(......................................................
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I do not want V-STEP to remodel the vermaas! I thought!,(KEY WORD THOUGHT!)that it would have been better if they had put a stern thruster and/or a second engine on the vermaas! You know, this is the 6th!,time I had said this, yet, no one pays attention >:(. If all of you had paid any attention, this wouldent have gone on 5 pages >:(!
But you WOULD HAVE TO remodel a ship for this to be able to happen. As though the hull is too wide at the stern for a thruster currently it would have a long tunnel that would make it worthless in maneuvering so the hull would have to be re-shaped.
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Agent, I really dont want to get back into that right now. I am having a moment of shame ;D. Perhaps we can talk more about this tommoro ;).
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Agent, I really dont want to get back into that right now. I am having a moment of shame ;D. Perhaps we can talk more about this tommoro ;).
Okie dokie. With marmite on top *yuck*
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You and me can talk more about it a pm, shall we?
Why is marmitime yuck. Isint he a forum member?
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You and me can talk more about it a pm, shall we?
Why is marmitime yuck. Isint he a forum member?
"Marmite" the stuff terry likes. *yuck* sure PM me.
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What is marmitime? I am completely clueless ??? ;D.
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What is marmitime? I am completely clueless ??? ;D.
MARMITE not marmitime...
It is this yucky stuff, maybe you should ask terry, he is a marmite addict.
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Fello forum members. It is in my honest opinion that it would have made a nice feature to any vessel. However, I see that I am a single apple on one branch, surrounded by other apples on all the other branches, wishing that a young apple such as myself had not been made into an apple at all. It seems that I stand out from all the rest of you apples out there. So.....
I do apoligise for any disturbence that has been made. I opoligise for my silly idea. I just thought it was creative and that it would make a fine addition to any ship. If no one likes my idea, so be it. But I still beleive in it, no matter what. A good person should never let go of an idea, just because all the other apples say to ;D... But, again, I do apoligise for anything that want wrong in this topic. I take full responibility. :-[. I am very very sorry :'(......................................................
Hi The Captain.
As with all of the suggestions that get made, people can have very strong ideas about it.
Personally I wouldn't want thrusters on vessels that don't have them in real life. But, I wouldn't go shouting at someone who does want them. I might pull their leg ("jump jets"), but that's in fun.
So, as far as I am concerned, you have nothing to say sorry about. You started an innteresting discussion, in which a few people got a bit over-excited.
To celebrate your idea, I have now completed a new mission which involves Vermaas in som every tight moves. It is "Master's Certificate - Part 1", and will be available via the Creator's Forum within the next few days, once it has received final testing and release.
If you don't want to join up (it's free), I will release via the Custom Missions section of this Forum in due course (I allow at least three months before releasing here).
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Thank you very much mister Russell. I don't play missions very often, as can you tell with my scores ;D.
What is Marmite, mister Russell?
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It's "Terry", my friend!
Marmite is a spread that goes on buttered bread. You put a very small amount of it on at a time and spread it very thinly. It is is quite bitter. Made from yeast. Full of vitamin B.
People love it or hate it. In fact, the TV adverts show a lady with a plate of marmite sandwiches. People are either knocking each other out of the way to get some, or else running off screaming with her in pursuit.
Personally, I love it.
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Sorry. It is just polite to call adults by their last name :-[.
So, where could I find a sample of this, marmite?
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Sorry. It is just polite to call adults by their last name :-[.
So, where could I find a sample of this, marmite?
No where in the US. I have never seen it in our stores.
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Maybe they are showing us how bad it is ;D.
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There are a few places in the USA where it is specially imported, but I'm not sure where.
If I want to frighten my wife (who is American), I offer her a Marmite sandwich. ;D But my mother-in-law who lives in Floria, loves it and we take a couple of jars when we go there.
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There are a few places in the USA where it is specially imported, but I'm not sure where.
If I want to frighten my wife (who is American), I offer her a Marmite sandwich. ;D But my mother-in-law who lives in Floria, loves it and we take a couple of jars when we go there.
(http://bp3.blogger.com/_AcSt7aO-jeo/RebgTK_n7QI/AAAAAAAAAPg/MOOVa2xpAbw/s320/sick%2Bsmiley%2Bface.jpg)
Yuck
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The closest I ever came to experiencing Marmite came when the waste holding tank leaked into the thruster tunnel while docking.
—just my way of getting back on topic, Terry ;D
Marty
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It's amazing how my presence can bring Marmite to any thread!
But before I tell myself off, I'll bring this back on topic.
I have now uploaded a new mission to the Creators Forum. It is "Masters Certificate Stage 1", and is the first in a series of tasks for the first Mate of Vermaas, who wishes to become Master of the vessel. This one involves very tight mooring situations using Vermaas (look Mum, no stern thrusters!).
If I can give you a big hint: If you go towards a morring point at about 15 to 20 degrees, and then turn the bow outwards just before you hit the quay, the bow will swing out and the stern will swing in towards the quay. If you also push the bow thruster towards the quay at just the right amount, the ship will slide in almost sideways! Vary the thrust to get the ship parallel to the shore. You really don't need stern thrusters...
Practice with this mission and after sinking yourself a few times, you'll see how easy it is!
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Hi James,
Thanks for your thoughtful input. Where were you when we needed you five pages ago? :)
I might add that for vessels like Vermaas there are other considerations that work against stern thrusters:
The wide stern, with shaft alley and other machinery makes it difficult to fit a tunnel thruster—which would suffer from the long tunnel. On the other hand, her draft leaves little room for an azimuthing thruster.
Regards,
Marty
I saw this topic and I know the replies had been off-topic when I posted, but at least the information is available should anyone wish to read it. :)
If you or anyone else has any other questions then feel free to post them up or pop me a quick PM and should be able to answer as best I can. Only things I obviously can't talk about are the exact operations of the company etc...
Good point about the availability of space for extra thrusters - very good point indeed. Not to mention the added cost of installing more thrusters.
Some people don't like thrusters and just see them as another modern gadget to go wrong, but from what I'm aware, they're extremely useful.
James
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Ah... maybe it would be indeed better if err... we moved this topic to small talk even though... ah... The first few posts on this topic were y`now err... not fit to enter small talk
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Ah... maybe it would be indeed better if err... we moved this topic to small talk even though... ah... The first few posts on this topic were y`now err... not fit to enter small talk
I think it would be much better if you didn't make irrelevant posts in dead threads. That's against Forum Rules. I trust that's clear.
This topic is now locked.