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Title: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: marcstrat on April 27, 2007, 08:30:19: Al comments and updates,about this project,here.Please
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: Shipaddict on April 28, 2007, 20:25:53: When will any of these projects be finished? For instance Pascal stopped giving us updates. Sorry to say but i'm starting to get just a teeny bit impatient.
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: KDS on April 28, 2007, 20:45:58: Quote from: Shipaddict on April 28, 2007, 20:25:53
When will any of these projects be finished? For instance Pascal stopped giving us updates. Sorry to say but i'm starting to get just a teeny bit impatient.

In all honesty,it wouldn't matter.
The SKD isn't supposed to be releaded until after the game, i read somewhere so we could be looking at September before we can add ships to the game. :)
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: marcstrat on April 28, 2007, 21:05:00: Greetings,
Yes,but i want to see,that some shipsmodels are ready before that time.The hole idea of this vessel design group,was to create new vessels for the game.So you could download them in a some kind of free add-on.
If we are able to finish these projects,everyone wins.
Regards
Marc
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: AriesDW on May 03, 2007, 07:49:08: Marc - Thank you for getting all of these project threads taken care of. I really do appreciate it.

-Dave
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: cargo on May 04, 2007, 21:38:39: Actually, I'm travel with this many times per year, though this ship is out of service at the moment. I think its cruising around the mediterranean sea. The current replacer is HSC Gotlandia II:
http://www.destinationgotland.se/snabbfarja/index.htm
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: AriesDW on May 05, 2007, 06:33:39: Quote from: cargo on May 04, 2007, 21:38:39
Actually, I'm travel with this many times per year, though this ship is out of service at the moment. I think its cruising around the mediterranean sea. The current replacer is HSC Gotlandia II:
http://www.destinationgotland.se/snabbfarja/index.htm

Do you have any photos of the Gotlandia? I like her design better than the Gotlandia II - which of the two is more of a pleasure to sail aboard?
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: marcstrat on May 05, 2007, 08:43:49: Hoy Dave,
I can get you pics of the Gotlandia.
This week-end you'll get them from me.Keep your mailbox empty.They arrive sooner than you might think.
Regards
Marc
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: AriesDW on May 06, 2007, 03:27:48: Okay Marc - I am standing by!! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: cargo on May 21, 2007, 13:57:10: Any progress report? I hope ya'll will finish this ship before starting on any other! ;)

By the way Dave:
Gotlandia I is way more comfertable than Gotlandia II. Though, in Gotlandia II there are a TV monitor for each person in the upper saloon deck, so... ::)
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: AriesDW on May 22, 2007, 05:03:59: Cargo - Thanks for the info! ;)

Marc - Thanks for the shots. They are awesome!
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: cargo on May 22, 2007, 21:07:56: Hey Dave, just ask if there's anything you have in mind ;)

reg
Simon
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: AriesDW on May 23, 2007, 18:38:46: I just love the design so of course, any and all images of her are welcome. You say she has been transferred out of your area for the time being?
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: cargo on May 23, 2007, 19:00:30: Actually, for a few days ago I saw her in Visby harbour, but not in service though. She was suppose to cruise at the mediterranean sea during the winter months, but apparently not now...
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: Captain Kool on June 12, 2007, 06:43:43: Got to be one of the ugliest ships I've ever seen
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: Wout on June 12, 2007, 16:20:43: Quote from: Captain Kool on June 12, 2007, 06:43:43
Got to be one of the ugliest ships I've ever seen
I surely hope you're not referring to the model... I respect your opinion, but on a topic dedicated to the digitally rebuild of a ship a reaction as severe as yours might not be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: AriesDW on June 12, 2007, 17:20:04: Quote from: Wout on June 12, 2007, 16:20:43
I surely hope you're not referring to the model... I respect your opinion, but on a topic dedicated to the digitally rebuild of a ship a reaction as severe as yours might not be greatly appreciated.

'Indeed. . . .
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: Shipaddict on June 12, 2007, 18:07:37: What is happening to this project? On the old forum pascal and the others stopped giving updates completely.
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: J3nsen on June 12, 2007, 22:18:17: I think this project is dead! :-\
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: Shipaddict on June 13, 2007, 16:06:15: Quote from: J3nsen on June 12, 2007, 22:18:17
I think this project is dead! :-\

I agree sadly.
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: marcstrat on June 13, 2007, 17:48:30: Greetings,
I regret this to,maybe i can ask someone to get more info about this project.
I realy want to see her in the game to.
Regards
Marc
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: Season on June 13, 2007, 18:30:04: Quote from: Wout on June 12, 2007, 16:20:43
I surely hope you're not referring to the model... I respect your opinion, but on a topic dedicated to the digitally rebuild of a ship a reaction as severe as yours might not be greatly appreciated.

I agree. The ship itself is ugly in my opinion, but the model looks good. I know, it's the same ship, but still, I don't like the looks of it. I can't make a model like that though, so nice work on the model =).
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: Shipaddict on June 17, 2007, 09:59:31: What does Aries DW have to say about this project? Dead or alive?

Regards
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: J3nsen on June 17, 2007, 11:35:07: nothing has been update's on this ship whenn the forum was new! I think it's dead!
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: AriesDW on June 18, 2007, 21:10:21: Quote from: Shipaddict on June 17, 2007, 09:59:31
What does Aries DW have to say about this project? Dead or alive?

Regards

I am sad to say that it appears the project is dead. I had looked forward to her becoming a reality in Ship Sim as I personally think she is a fantastic looking design and could be a lot of fun to pilot.

I hope we can find someone to take the torch on this one.
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: cargo on June 19, 2007, 18:39:43: Yes, please do so!
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: AriesDW on June 19, 2007, 18:48:03: Quote from: cargo on June 19, 2007, 18:39:43
Yes, please do so!

Cargo . . . have some free time? HA HA HA HA! :D
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: cargo on June 19, 2007, 19:02:13: Yes I do, but I dont know anything about modeling. Although I know about painting. Aint got a 3D Program so...
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: J3nsen on June 19, 2007, 19:05:34: I know a littel in painting too in photoshop! But i texture is ??? xD
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: marcstrat on June 19, 2007, 19:07:56: Greetings,
Why do they stop to make this models,this is not our first model,that became a dead project.
At least we have some modellers,who love to work on their project,so that we can get all very nice vessels in the future.
Regards
Marc
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: AriesDW on June 19, 2007, 19:12:42: Quote from: marcstrat on June 19, 2007, 19:07:56
Greetings,
Why do they stop to make this models,this is not our first model,that became a dead project.
At least we have some modellers,who love to work on their project,so that we can get all very nice vessels in the future.
Regards
Marc

Believe me, I find it just as frustrating.
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: Ship Sim on June 20, 2007, 05:54:52: I wonder where all the people who were modeling ships went. :-\ And also some of the outher people on the old fourm.
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: AriesDW on June 20, 2007, 07:41:36: Quote from: Ship Sim on June 20, 2007, 05:54:52
I wonder where all the people who were modeling ships went. :-\ And also some of the outher people on the old fourm.

Most of them said they dislike the new form and for others the new forum was an excuse to make a quick get away.
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: Ship Sim on June 20, 2007, 22:15:49: Oah. Maby someone can contenue the prodject. ;)
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: AriesDW on June 21, 2007, 02:52:48: Quote from: Ship Sim on June 20, 2007, 22:15:49
Oah. Maby someone can contenue the prodject. ;)

I sure hope so - I would love to pilot her about, someday!
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: Shipaddict on June 24, 2007, 13:26:06: I would like to pilot her aswell oneday.
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: AriesDW on June 28, 2007, 08:59:23: Quote from: Shipaddict on June 24, 2007, 13:26:06
I would like to pilot her aswell oneday.

She will be a lot of fun, for sure . . .
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: marcstrat on June 28, 2007, 09:36:43: Quote from: AriesDW on June 28, 2007, 08:59:23
She will be a lot of fun, for sure . . .
All true,if we could only find someone to make it complete.
Marc
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: AriesDW on June 28, 2007, 09:53:44: Yeah. I think she could be a fantastic model.
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: cargo on June 28, 2007, 10:50:00: Yes. It would be so cool if I could drive her ;D
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: AriesDW on June 28, 2007, 18:03:07: cARGO? Ya game to try it?

What is the address to your portfolio site>
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: Ship Sim on June 29, 2007, 07:00:50: I wish I had the program to model her. But I dont. :(
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: cargo on June 29, 2007, 17:01:26: Quote from: AriesDW on June 28, 2007, 18:03:07
cARGO? Ya game to try it?

What is the address to your portfolio site>

What do you mean? :)
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: cargo on July 03, 2007, 11:51:26: Today my friends I'm going to travel to Gotland. Not with the Gotlandia though, but with the new Gotlandia II. Although I dont realy know if we will make it in time, it appears that she has one engine broken, but we will see. I'll be back in the beginning of August. 8)
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: Shipaddict on October 14, 2007, 19:35:13: I think that this project best be locked and left alone. It's dead.
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: [RWP]DJM on October 14, 2007, 19:43:58: Quote from: Shipaddict on October 14, 2007, 19:35:13
I think that this project best be locked and left alone. It's dead.

LOL, until someone posts in it ::)

Guilty as charged.....Again!! :P
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: Shipaddict on October 14, 2007, 19:45:00: Quote from: [RWP]DJM on October 14, 2007, 19:43:58
LOL, until someone posts in it ::)

Guilty as charged.....Again!! :P

Again?? I'm not very good abiding am I?! :P
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: marcstrat on October 14, 2007, 20:55:44: Greetings,
Yes,we know it is death.It's to bad either to.I started as a prosperous project,and than somehowe it's been left alone.
The real reason,i dont know anymore.I think it had something to do with the interior of the bridge.
There was not much to find in pictures,of it.So it stopped this Project.
One thing that surprices me alot was,that there are alot of members,who want passenger-vessels in the game.Now we had one,that could work very good in the game to.Well it's lost now.
Unless some of the modeller,realy want to finish this.
I think the outside is allready 90%,maybe 100% finished.So most of the job that needs to be done,is just the interior.
Wish,we could have this done to.From all the projects that have been on this board,there are 2,no 3 finished.
2 of them are realy vstep's work,in co-orporation with Simondr.Elbe project,Furie project,and the Berge Stahl,which is completely made by Goax75.
The rest of the projects,are death.What i think it's very sad!!
This way we are going nowhere.Also this is the reason why people are no more interested,in these projects.
Regards
Marc
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: Tomaten on October 21, 2007, 08:31:42: The reson is that we can't get the models ingame :(

When that is possibly, I think we will gets a lot nice projects here.

have a nice day.
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: marcstrat on October 21, 2007, 09:02:32: Quote from: tomaten2006 on October 21, 2007, 08:31:42
The reson is that we can't get the models ingame :(

When that is possibly, I think we will gets a lot nice projects here.

have a nice day.

Greetings,
Their are models that can go in the game,Goax75 has been working on the Berge Stahl,for that reason.
Some people who started projects,did get a more busy life,so that's why they stopped.
I'm busy to get some of the projects back on track.
If i understand you,you want to make your own model,to convert it to the game.Well,the idea is good,if you can make your own model.
What about the others who can not make their models??
Thats why this group has been started in the beginning,to give free add-on's.
REgards
Marc
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: Tomaten on October 23, 2007, 20:10:54: yes, ,,

I' can make easy models.. not even close to put it in the game.
shore I understand you.

I really hope their will be more nice ships that will come to this game

I'll help if it is needed

Have a nice evening
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: Ferrymaster on October 25, 2007, 19:08:16: This ship would be nice in Ship Simulator!!!
I like (fast)ferries in the game!

greetings,
Ferrymaster
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: mikenco on November 04, 2007, 00:28:19: Hi Dave, Hi crew..

Pascal got in touch with me recently. I sent him all of the photoshop textures that I have produced for this model. All of the work is done. Both of us have been under excessive workloads and as such the project died just before completion.

It would be pointless for anyone else to have to start from scratch with this, just give one of us a shout if you still think that this vessel would serve a purpose.

Mike :)
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: marcstrat on November 04, 2007, 08:31:34: Greetings,
If you can do that,please do.
For the moment Dave is not available,so i take over from him.I hope to see some updates in the future again,of this project.
Regards
Marc
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: Ship Sim on November 06, 2007, 17:17:32: Hi every one can we see the gotlandia in her current state.
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: marcstrat on November 07, 2007, 00:02:43: Greetings,
What do you mean?
How far this project is?Than you have to look on the first page of this topic.
Regards
Marc
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: v.h94 on December 06, 2008, 01:00:12: Hi I can take over the projekt if nowone already have did that :D
Sorry for my english, best regards v.h94
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: marcstrat on December 11, 2008, 23:33:18: Hello,
Yes, you can.
I will find out for you,who started this project,and ask that he send you all his info over to you.
Also it has to get completed to get it in the game.
However the specifications for that;you have to ask to Vstep.
Also be aware that you have to ask permision to the company first,before it can go into the game,when you build it as an exact copy of the real vessel(which has been done sofar).
You can always contact me ,if you need extra info.
Regards
Marc
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: mikenco on April 08, 2009, 22:59:34: Hello. The reason why this project died is that Pascal changed jobs and got extremely busy with his change of career. He was working on the modelling, I did the texture mapping.

It had nothing to do with the new forum. Just timing and commitments.

I spent too many hours on this project, I would LOVE to see this boat in the game. If anyone wants to take the reigns of this project, please drop me a line for the files.

Mike :)

(http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n23/mikenco/gotlandia/aft-port-view.jpg)

(http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n23/mikenco/gotlandia/aft-stbd-view.jpg)

(http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n23/mikenco/gotlandia/fwd-port-side.jpg)

(http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n23/mikenco/gotlandia/fwd-stbd-side.jpg)

(http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n23/mikenco/gotlandia/port-side-view.jpg)

(http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n23/mikenco/gotlandia/top-view.jpg)
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: Minime on April 08, 2009, 23:29:00: you did a good job there, hopefully someone here can help you.
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: mikenco on April 09, 2009, 00:09:59: Thank you, much appreciated. So many hours spent on the artwork only to have it fall by the way side.

I too hope someone with the modelling skills can continue the project.

Mike :thumbs:
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: Shipaddict on April 09, 2009, 08:27:07: Looks ever so nice that does, I remember on the old forum I was really looking forward to that addon and it never came :(

Hopfully as you say it could continue :)
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: IRI5HJ4CK on April 09, 2009, 08:43:09: WOW, that looks fantastic! :o

I'd personally love to see that in the game, a Fast Ferry is what Ship Sim Lacks :thumbs:

So I'm all for seeing it in the game! (Even though I probably wouldn't use it often myself, it would be something different and nice to see whilst on my rounds with the Sherpa :lol: ;D)

Jack ;D
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: mikenco on April 10, 2009, 00:24:29: In case anyone wants to take over this. As far as I know, what is still required is the internal bridge layout. I'm not sure how much if any Pascal did. One of the last things I did on this project was collect photos of the bridge.

What is exactly involved in building the bridge is beyond me. I am a Photoshop person, I know very little about modelling in 3Dmax and absolutely nothing about what is required to submit this Pitor at Vstep.

Mike :)
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: marcstrat on April 14, 2009, 06:37:50: Hello guy's,
Yes, i agree,this project would be very nice in the game!
Think about the bridge,is one case,however you also need to find the dynamics of the vessel to,to fit in to the model,if you want to sail the ship.
That's the hard bit!
Marc

P.S.you also need to have permission of that shipping-company to,unless you change a bit on the model
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: Minime on April 14, 2009, 09:59:29: is it fully made after the V-STEP guidelines?
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: mikenco on May 03, 2009, 04:24:02: Quote from: Minime on April 14, 2009, 09:59:29
is it fully made after the V-STEP guidelines?

That's the doozey.. I have the mesh and my artwork, but what now?

This game would explode in popularity if it was made open to the community.

Sadly, it remains closed.

I realise that VSTEP have a more business related attitude, which is good, but that attitude keeps this great game unexpandable to the masses.

:(
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: Mad_Fred on May 03, 2009, 04:56:54: Heya Mike,

Well.. it is open, in a way, and even better than with some sims, cause the developers themselves will back addon makers up and help out when someone comes with a good product, unlike other sims, where quality greatly suffers from too open a structure and an abundance of 3D modelers with no real knowledge about what makes ships float, planes fly, cars drive, etc etc, resulting in beautiful, but unrealistically behaving vehicles/vessels..., well at leat in my humble opinion...

So people can make ships for this game if they wish, and indeed, VSTEP encourages people to do so.. but the community has to first manage to make a ship according to the guidelines, before VSTEP can use it.. that's obvious....But if/when they do, they have a really good chance to get their ships in the game.

And most of the stuff that needs doing to make the model according to the guidelines, is wel documenten in numerous tutorials all over the net. But it takes time to learn much of these skills, plus you need the right software too of course, which not everyone might have.

But it takes that software, knowledge and skill first, to be able to do that.. after that is all done, vstep will do the other hard part, implementing it..

People that make addons for other serious simulators also have to figure a lot of that stuff out, and there it's also a lot more than just a mesh and nice textures, to make a decent addon.

It's just hard work, and takes some skills that can be learned if one so desires and has that kind of time. That's pretty much 'all that is to it'.. :P

Having said that, I too have no idea how to proceed with my models after modeling and a bit of texturing... ;D

Regards,
Fred
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: TerryRussell on May 03, 2009, 09:39:57: Hi chaps.

I think that the direction that Vstep has taken has shown itself to be absolutely correct.

Although it means that it is extremely demanding, and most users can't get past the base requirements, we have been spared the bug-ridden, half-hearted, unfinished and unplayable dross that plagues most other simulators and games.

How many of the projects that people start in this area ever make it, even if only into the low requirements of VS? ("Almost none, Terry", is the correct answer).

You might also note that user accessible simulators such as Train Simulator, Train Simulator 2, Train Siumlator 2a, Flight Simulator etc are all dead, defunct, no more.
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: mikenco on February 06, 2010, 02:57:48: Quote from: TerryRussell on May 03, 2009, 09:39:57
Although it means that it is extremely demanding, and most users can't get past the base requirements, we have been spared the bug-ridden, half-hearted, unfinished and unplayable dross that plagues most other simulators and games.

That's simply not true. Given an open community, many great models emerge. Admittedly, quite a few bad ones appear too, but given the enormous choice on 'fan sites' of sims, you at least have the luxury of picking and choosing.

From my own point of view, I enjoy reskinning existing models, not for any commercial purposes, simply for my own enjoyment. As a professional Photoshop user, I actually enjoy the reskinning more than using the models a lot of the time.

Quote from: TerryRussell on May 03, 2009, 09:39:57
You might also note that user accessible simulators such as Train Simulator, Train Simulator 2, Train Siumlator 2a, Flight Simulator etc are all dead, defunct, no more.

You are obviously not a Flight Sim fan. There is still a thriving community out there.

I hear what you are saying about quality, I quite agree. But from my own point of view, it would be nice to have access to certain parts of the models, especially the image maps. As already mentioned, I'd love to work on the textures of some of the ships, surely you agree that most of them look too new and shiny considering the corrosive environment in which they work?

I'm not a sound specialist, but the 'radio chatter' sound that I produced was included in a SS06 update, it would be nice to be able to edit these sounds, again for ones own use, without having to submit them for inclusion into updates.

I'm not asking for full open source access to the program, just the ability to create things on a personal level. Imagine installing your favorite OS and only being able to use their selected desktop wallpapers.

ShipSim is a brilliant program to which I keep returning and this is just me rambling.

:D
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: Firestar on February 06, 2010, 03:25:55: Hi, but if everyone could repaint it it wouldn't be a simulator, it's for accuracy, not enjoyment. However, I see what you are saying.

PS, there are a few vessels you can repaint, the P6, small buoy, and I think the sailing yacht.
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: mikenco on February 06, 2010, 03:54:58: Quote from: Firestar on February 06, 2010, 03:25:55
.. it's for accuracy, not enjoyment.
As far as accuracy goes, I'd like to see rust and grime! :D What do you mean by "not enjoyment" ?? are you being punished to play this game? :doh:

Quote from: Firestar on February 06, 2010, 03:25:55
PS, there are a few vessels you can repaint, the P6, small buoy, and I think the sailing yacht.

Yes, I did the P6 in SS06.. made my own Port of Dover livery.
(http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n23/mikenco/Dover%20Harbour/DoverLaunches.jpg)

Wouldn't you like see better textures on the big tanker? (it looks far too shiny to be a work horse)
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: Firestar on February 06, 2010, 04:10:09: I definitely agree with you there, it looks like it just came from the builders. Hopefully VSTEP'll see that in SSEx.

Very nice livery, I like it. :)

I know that if I were ever to make something for the sim, I would absolutely put rust and grime on the hull, this model for example did a great job of that:

(Note rust near bow)

(http://80.95.161.114/shipsim/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=17193.0;attach=72754;image)
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: mikenco on February 06, 2010, 04:23:56: Good attempt.. the reds might need to be reduced a little (more towards the brown end of the spectrum) to prevent it looking like raw chopped liver has been poured out of the fairleads. ;D

But we agree that models need to be produced that look more serviced.

There were several parts of the UV map on the P6 that couldn't be modified.
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: Firestar on February 06, 2010, 15:53:39: That's strange, considering that I was told that all of the areas of the ship...ALL..need to be mapped. What does this mean then?
Title: Re: "Gotlandia"project.Comments and Updates
Post by: mikenco on February 07, 2010, 02:39:16: Quote from: Firestar on February 06, 2010, 15:53:39
That's strange, considering that I was told that all of the areas of the ship...ALL..need to be mapped. What does this mean then?

Sorry, let me clarify. When the UV map is created for a vessel (a UV map is just a flat jpeg, as I am sure you are aware), there are areas of the image than can be used multiple times for various areas of the finished model. For example, if you create an area of the map which is say just a red block, this part of the image can be used to texture any area of the finished model which is required to be red. This is fine if you want a simple texture that doesn't have any orientation or finer detail (such as signs or rust streaks). For more complex texturing, the UV map needs have areas for each of the vertices.

Imagine texturing a cube. You could create a simple square image and render the same square on to all six sides, however, if you wanted to make a dice, you'd have to have six unique areas of the image map in order to show the number pips as each of the six sides is different.

The problem with the P6 skin, is that there appeared to be a few common areas. From memory, one such area was the crane. I wanted to texture each face of the model, allowing for vertical streaks of rust and adding bolt heads etc, but the crane uses a very small common area and didn't allow for texturing such fine detail.

All that said, I could be wrong. I started on the P6 and learned much more when I created the Gotlandia skin. I seem to remember not being able to customise areas of the crane with too much detail, but having just looked at the map again just now, I've marked on the attached image where I think it was. It may have just been my inexperience with the map. Also attached is the starting map I used for the Gotlandia, which had a seperate area on the map for each of the Gotlandia's verticies, making it easier to go to a finer level of detail. But even that map had shared areas (look at the renders further up this thread and look at the rear loading doors, the textures are mirrored for each side of the doors.

I don't claim to know much about this topic, as I have more experience with commercial Photoshop use for DTP and web design than reskining 3D models and I am always open to advice from more experienced designers.

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