Ship Simulator
English forum => Ship Simulator Extremes => Topic started by: derbederselo on September 19, 2010, 12:19:14
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BEFORE
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(http://ve3dmedia.ign.com/images/05/68/56894_artic_normal.jpg)
(http://www.spieleradar.de/uploads/screenshots/11/ship-simulator-extremes-pc-5v9_resized_1020_wm.jpg)
AFTER
(http://img.webme.com/pic/l/limitsiz-paylasim/shipsimextreme.png)
(http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/2139/32991624.jpg)
WHY THIS GRAPHICS ?
1280 X 1024 75HZ GRAPÄ°CH SETTÄ°NG ...
(http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/346/ssset.jpg)
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1) You don't need to shout everything you say; calm down.
2) The v1.2 patch, coming out next week, will fix the problem you posted in your first "after" photo
3) The "before" images are only early, early renders. Few if any games ever have their final products looking as good as the very first pre-release photos.
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Where is titanic in the extreme ??
2.photo sea wonderfull..
3.photo sea terrible
v1.2 The problem will go sea ??
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Titanic is going to be released in a few months. Be patient.
As for the sea, as I said, the problem you showed in your third picture will be fixed next week. And actually, the sea in the game can be seen as better than that in the renders in that the real game has 3D wakes.
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Thank You for Reply...
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Also register your licence key ;)
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As for the sea, as I said, the problem you showed in your third picture will be fixed next week. And actually, the sea in the game can be seen as better than that in the renders in that the real game has 3D wakes.
I think if I had the choice of having '3D wakes' or having my seas looking like the initial renderings, I would choose the latter option in a heartbeat. In my opinion, the 3d wakes look unrealistic and excessively convex and round (similar to the waves of SS2008). The whitewater textures in the actual game have a poor resolution also.
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Does anybody know whether the problem in his forth picture (the one with the splashes passing through the hull) will be resolved in the 1.2 patch? I have that problem with SS2008 and I wish that VStep could fix that as well.
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BEFORE
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(http://ve3dmedia.ign.com/images/05/68/56894_artic_normal.jpg)
(http://www.spieleradar.de/uploads/screenshots/11/ship-simulator-extremes-pc-5v9_resized_1020_wm.jpg)
AFTER
(http://img.webme.com/pic/l/limitsiz-paylasim/shipsimextreme.png)
(http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/2139/32991624.jpg)
WHY THIS GRAPHICS ?
1280 X 1024 75HZ GRAPÄ°CH SETTÄ°NG ...
(http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/346/ssset.jpg)
Those are pictres when the game was in develoment they lowered the graphics quaility.
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Out of interest where you got the images from, do they state in game footage??
I would be more interested to know that if these were screens from in development with resolutions drastically lowered could we please see a motion video or are these actually renered on a 3d software??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_GncSP5bdU&feature=fvw
Vstep and Paradox if your up for the challenge and are so bold as to advertise these types of graphics can you provide us with an ingame video prooving that this engine is actually up to it?
Just to let you know i am not purposely trying to find points of false advertising just very annoyed at the product i have bought and not received!
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Hi Dooberry,
Here is a screenshot from the game at 1920 x 1200 running at 20 FPS.
It was compressed from 7Mb to 1MB. There is no AA used.
Regards,
Marty
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He doesn't want to see a picture of the actual game (the one for sale), he wants VStep to show him a video using the same game version that was used to take the impressive screenshots at the top of this topic, to prove that those graphics are possible (even if a supercomputer is needed to do it), and that they were not simply a single 3D image/frame that was rendered highly for advertising purposes.
At least I think that's what he wants... :)
VStep really needs to make an effort to take those high quality pictures off their site (not to mention countless 3rd party sites), unless they sincerely believe that SSE will look like that one day. And until that happens, they need to state very clearly that the misleading pictures on their site are not what you will get if you buy the product.
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He doesn't want to see a picture of the actual game (the one for sale), he wants VStep to show him a video using the same game version that was used to take the impressive screenshots at the top of this topic, to prove that those graphics are possible (even if a supercomputer is needed to do it), and that they were not simply a single 3D image/frame that was rendered highly for advertising purposes.
These were of earlier in-development version of the game. That proved to be too heavy in part, and some things were unfortunatly tuned down.
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He doesn't want to see a picture of the actual game (the one for sale), he wants VStep to show him a video using the same game version that was used to take the impressive screenshots at the top of this topic, to prove that those graphics are possible (even if a supercomputer is needed to do it), and that they were not simply a single 3D image/frame that was rendered highly for advertising purposes.
At least I think that's what he wants... :)
VStep really needs to make an effort to take those high quality pictures off their site (not to mention countless 3rd party sites), unless they sincerely believe that SSE will look like that one day. And until that happens, they need to state very clearly that the misleading pictures on their site are not what you will get if you buy the product.
Absaloutley spot on Jackos, thats what i would like to see from them, i would like to see this working video of the version that 'proved to be too heavy' platform. So far the only part of that screenshot that looks remotely like it could be from the version we have is the ship models.
The pc's that are out at the moment can handle a lot thrown at them.
Regards.
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Well sorry to dissapoint you, but you won't get that, I am afraid.
You can find promo videos and screenshots and a demo, on the official Vstep website. Those are the official ones.
Some other sites still show the very old in-progress shots that have become obsolete. But that's not Vstep's fault, they have sent out the correct batches of promo material, but are not in control of what gamer sites and such post on their web pages.
Fred.
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Wouldn't you say its a bit strange then, that VStep still has the old promo shots on their own website? ???
Correct me if I'm wrong, but one would expect that they have control over their own site... :-\
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These were of earlier in-development version of the game. That proved to be too heavy in part, and some things were unfortunatly tuned down.
What happened to the bit where you admitted about that the images admitadly should not have been on the official website?? :doh:
Posted by Mad_Fred: Today at 04:19:21
Edited by Mad_Fred: « Last Edit: Today at 15:31:48 by Mad_Fred »
I take it you have to be careful what you say on here?
Regards.
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As my point goes many times now in this forum sims that are out there in this day and age are at a much higher standard and now for less money, like i have also said before systems are more than capabale of performing.
Check out the below some material showing just how good physics are in sims these days. Also i would like to say here that i am not comparing the type of simulator merely the realism and physics of it. The following is more like what VSTEP have produced as advertising material:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UssaI9OJZ50&feature=fvsr
Regards.
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I must admit that recent hunter game is beautiful, but my first Officer on it moans all the time, he has an eye patch for God's sake scare the crew into submission lol, I have given up with him, other than that, I sit for ages watching my victim sink in that game, just wish there were people running around on deck trying to put out fires or preparing lifeboats or something. But that brings me point, people get something good and always want more, this Sim (SSE) is unique, and pretty young as a sim, hunter games have been on the go for years, these things take development time as everything has to be done from scratch.
Patience is a virtue, not one I have at the best of times but it is one I endeavour to achieve.
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These were of earlier in-development version of the game. That proved to be too heavy in part, and some things were unfortunatly tuned down.
Damn I would do a LOT for that version of the game lol
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There is more then just "high quality beta version that was tuned down before release" screenshots. Those, in my opinion, are clearly photoshopped to some degree and absolutely do not belong on the website.
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AFAIK they are not on the website and haven't been for quite a while.
But some other gamersites and sites where you can purchase the game, have not updated their promo material after Vstep has sent them the current ones.
Sadly, you can't control what they do.
Fred.
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But there are still pictures on the website that should not be there. Maybe not the ones posted at the top of this thread, but ones like the Rainbow Warrior with the nice bow splashes.
Misleading, that's what that is...
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True, that one is not a representation of the current bow wakes.
But oh well, it's not the first advertisement that's ever been misleading, I reckon.. Or do you get the same burgers you see on the TV ads, at your local Maccas? :P
Seriously though, can't say anything about that, you're absolutely right. That picture is old.
Well, Vstep is aware of that...
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That picture of the Rainbow ship is also on the box version. On the front of the box so is there a picture of the Coastguard Cutter, but that I think most persons understand is a 'fixed' picture. But, on the backside of the cover are 4 different pictures, one of them are that Greenpeace ship, and this pictures did at least I thought were real in game pictures. And a reason to that is that they could easily be connected to the text. And, the description of the game says:
"Realistic water and weather system. Sail calm waters or take on extreme weather and heavy storms, all stunningly recreated"
So with that picture as seems like in game pictures so did I expected something more. But I will also say that this game have good graphic if it had been a simulator. But maybe someday so will Vstep have made this game with realistic water and turned the game in to a simulator game. They obviously can, cause Nautis I suppose is a great simulator, they could have gone fore a simplyfied version of that one.
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Biggles1975, I agree with most of what you are saying, except your personal opinions of the game. But I wonder where you have found a post of some who think this game should be like a real simulator?
And I love that funny excuse for having lowered the graphic. With that logic so could the graphic have been set so low so it could have been possible to play it on Commodore 20(I mention this to show how empty that argument is, and for you younger persons so is Commodore 20 one of the first home computers, and if I do not remeber wrong so did I got one of them 1984-1985). I understand the argument that if the graphic was like it is on the pictures so could only newer computers handle the program, but then should 'inn games' pictures be from how the game realy is, but I suppose(and hope), that this is only a misstake from Vstep, cause if not they are thinking very short.
Finaly, I have said it before, I would have prefered even lower graphic than what it is now, if the game was a little bit more like a simulator-game. In my opinion so should simulator-game simulate the reality as much as possible. There is of cource differences between a simulator and a simulator-game. In SSE so is only speed forward and backwards and steering what is simulated. When a five year old boy can take a big cruiseship from Rotterdam to England with no help and no misstakes(only help with translate the english), so do I not consider this boat-driving game as a simulatorgame. But I have hope, I like what the game can become and hope it one day will be like a simulator-game.
Now I feel like I repeat me self a lot, but I suppose that Biggles have not read any of my former post.
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I stopped reading at the seventh word.
As soon as somebody starts trying to demean others with labels, I know I have no further interest in the content.
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You do have a vaild point about SSE wiqvist and my post was not aimed at you as I would like to see the improvents that you ask for. I would love to see ships in this game that are the standard of PMDG aircraft in flight sim. I would like to see tide and weather add-ons that'll allow real world weather into the game I hope this is what Vstep are going to aim for and or allow 3rd party devs to make this sim into the game we'll want.
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a Gentleman, I dont even have the opportunity to choose animals and persons like showed in that screen. Did i miss something?
Diego
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Graphics aren't everything but i was dissapointed with the graphics in my opinion i looks like SS2008 with a new fancy ocean the game is more demanding then Crysis and i lags on my computer even though i can run it but we must be patient when has a game ever been released without problems PC games tend to be more rushed then console game you should try the PC version of GTAIV its terrible and GTAVC is impossible to finish because of the helicopter RC mission the controls were badly transfered.
Also the bow wave that appears on the image of RWIII at the back of the game is a LIE it has the same one in SS2008
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Biggles, then I have missunderstood your post, I am sorry. And as you say we then have the same opinion of the game. So I hope you will take my appololgy?
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True, that one is not a representation of the current bow wakes.
But oh well, it's not the first advertisement that's ever been misleading, I reckon.. Or do you get the same burgers you see on the TV ads, at your local Maccas? :P
Seriously though, can't say anything about that, you're absolutely right. That picture is old.
Well, Vstep is aware of that...
What I'm really curious about is, particularly in the shot of the Rainbow Warrior III, was the bow splash actually part of the beta or was it photoshopped? That's very nice looking, and I must say, I would rather have the water effects from the promos than the bumpmapping and better hull textures we see on our current SSE vessels, because, let's face it, that water looks absolutely stunning. I'm not putting anyone down, of course, VSTEP did a nice job, but I wonder why they tuned down certain things where less important things could have been given leeway, then again, it's also about RAM usage too I guess, if it was so heavy that loosing ALL of the other good features still didn't equal the amount of RAM that the ocean took up I guess they had reasons..
Like I said, I'm sure they had reasons because I know they don't do things for no reason, but I'm curious as to what the reasons were.. :P
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THIS :
http://images.wikia.com/shipsimulator/images/b/bb/Iz4f2nus84t7pabo.png
looks way better than the final release , even this looks better
:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qul0r7XQ1Ok&list=FL874n9PP0EaF1v19lHHC4HQ&index=5&feature=plpp_video
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Alexisth1, funny that you bump this thread up.
Funny that Vstep have still not changed the pictures on their site, and still sells the game with pictures as should look like ingame pictures but they are not. In contries like Norway so is that strictly forbidden and companies who do so are not companies who common persons like very much. I do not know how the law is in Netherlands but I know it is illegal in many contries. Vstep is of cource not alone with this, but why do they like to belong to that group of companies using illegal or almost illegal tactics to sell their product. If the product was good enoug as it is they did not need to use such pictures and also words describing the game as something as it not is. The player is said to be the captain of the ship, and the main thing in this game is mission. In most missions so do not the player know what is going to happen after next waypoint. How many captains do not have a clue if they should turn, stop or what they should do at after next waypoint. In SS2008, so was this solved better, by the way you could get old and new messages up when you like, except for some emergency matters, but that was also more realistic than now. SSE was a step backwards in developements in many ways.
Finaly, I deleted SSE and all other Vstep products from my computer, and now so does FSX runs much better, also Vehicle simulator runs better.
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Perhaps now that you have removed all Vstep products from your computer you might like to stop posting here also. It would seem rather pointless I feel.
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Hi Angus
Thank you for voicing my thoughts I to can not understand why he still posts
he has no time for the game and made that Extremely obvious.
Eric
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Now that he has removed VSTEP products from his computer—with a vow never to buy any more—perhaps the administrator should do him the courtesy of removing his registration and account so that the poor guy can sell, or donate, his copy to someone else.
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Funny that Vstep have still not changed the pictures on their site, and still sells the game with pictures as should look like ingame pictures but they are not. In contries like Norway so is that strictly forbidden and companies who do so are not companies who common persons like very much. I do not know how the law is in Netherlands but I know it is illegal in many contries. Vstep is of cource not alone with this..
Many games use pre rendered footage in screenshots and trailers. Mafia II, Mass Effect 3, World of Warcraft especially, Flight simulator X I'm sure you'll remember this image: (http://www.flightsimulationguru.com/site/blog_extras/FSX-PR-DIRECTX10.jpg) Just to name a few.
And those are big developers.
I even am guilty for it by showing rendered screenshots of 3D models which will be used in a game that doesn't even support softmap shadows and reflections.
So I don't really agree on that one.
Not everyone is, but people must be aware that early footage is plausible to be pre rendered in many cases.
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Now that he has removed VSTEP products from his computer—with a vow never to buy any more—perhaps the administrator should do him the courtesy of removing his registration and account so that the poor guy can sell, or donate, his copy to someone else.
Mvsmith, that would be another illegal behavior. As I think you understand so can not administrators do that without my request.
Funny, that three moderators are more concerned about if I continiue posting or not instead of than if a company use pictures like Vstep do. You guys are realy funny. Three grown up adult persons who posting about my person instead of the game. If such coments came from members it would have been bad, but when it come from the moderators, it is even a bit wors. But in my opinion does it only shows that mobbing is not a youth problem it is also and sometimes even more evil, when adults mobbing a person they do not the age of. So I hope you three persons feel realy proud of your posting.
You may not see the difference, but I give my critic about a company and their product, you comment about me as a person. If you do not see the difference, I do not see how a company like to have you as represents of them.
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Mvsmith, that would be another illegal behavior. As I think you understand so can not administrators do that without my request.
Not wanting to stick my oar in where it isn't wanted, But I feel I should point out that Vstep reserve the right to ban you from the forum with little/no notice, it clearly states that in the terms and conditions you agree to when you register. As a helping hand, I'd be a little nicer to mods and admins, As I've found that being nice gets you further than shouting, screaming, and generally making a right idiot of yourself :thumbs:
Whilst false advertising IS illegal, In SSE's case it doesn't really make that much difference as to who buys the product or not, as A. SSE's target audiance is small and B. Vstep also show proper images taken in the release version on the homepage, alongside the Images from earilier versions of SSE (so really It can't be classed as false advertising as the images still came from A version of SSE, albet not the version the end user recieved)
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MrRobville, if you continiue reading where you stop quoting me, so do I also say that Vstep is not alone with this. I remeber that picture from FSX, but the difference between Microsoft and Vstep is that Microsoft have removed that picture from the place where they sell the game, Vstep do still have the pictures on the sale site. I do not know about the other games you mention cause I am not familiar with them more than the names.
I think Mc Donnalds is the company most persons around the world know of using pictures of their products, which does not represent the finished product you as a customer got. But is that a great argument for doing the same. Some persons murder other persons but it is not an excuse for doing the same. Even if that is not a good thing to compare with so do I think most persons can see what I try to show with that example.
When I had my own company, I always tried to do a better job than the last job, and I never compared me with them who did less good work, I tried to reach the level of them who were better than me.
Vstep is of cource not alone with this, but why do they like to belong to that group of companies using illegal or almost illegal tactics to sell their product.
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Hello wiqvist,
Thank you for taking note of the forum rule about what to do if you disagree with moderators.
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You tried apparently to be as unpleasant as possible, at the brink of insulting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29) the moderators. You are asked to change this behaviour, and are warned that it could lead to sanctions, something you and everyone here certainly want to avoid.
Regards,
Luc
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Hello wiqvist,
Thank you for taking note of the forum rule about what to do if you disagree with moderators.
You tried apparently to be as unpleasant as possible, at the brink of insulting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29) the moderators. You are asked to change this behaviour, and are warned that it could lead to sanctions, something you and everyone here certainly want to avoid.
Regards,
Luc
I am sorry if I have insulted any moderators. But I did not try to be as unpleasant as possible, that is your opinion about my words. I do not know what I have said which insulted the moderators, can you please tell me what it was they got insulted of?
And this warnings I have been given, can you explain for me which them are, just so I have not missed any of them. I do mean them which are directed to me personally.
It is not such a big deal for me if you ban me from here, but I am glad that you did not banned me before I was able to answer here.
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@wiqvist,
You are right about microsoft removing that image, But I'm just talking in general. many companies still make use of this. In fact, some hollywood movie trailers contain footage that isn't used in the final cut.
Mc Donalds Is not a game developer, but I think it's a fair comparison. I once saw a video of how much make-up they added to those burgers before taking the shot. but that's a diffrent topic. ;)
I agree that these images can be misleading, but again, it happens so much that I guess we'll just have to accept it. Going after an individual company will not take effect.