Ship Simulator
English forum => Ship Simulator Extremes => General discussions => Topic started by: Brit on September 11, 2010, 23:26:37
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I'm so disappointed in this game, I want a refund.
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And your problem is?
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The sound is awful. Just absolutely atrocious. Ships don't slide about in near silence. Horns don't sound the same. Where is the radio traffic? Where is the normal every day sound of a ship underway? it isn't there - it's pathetic.
The radar is awful. Same radar on every ship? Same useless inability to use it as a navigation tool? no ability to see the radar and chart at the same time? Radar monitors on the bridge are static graphics, why? Can't use it to establish CPA for example as I can't mark on it.
The chart is useless. No ability to mark on it properly. No ability to set a plot proper course other than very very basic waypoints. Measurements are not in nautical miles. Tidal information is not catered for. It is literally a map, and utterly inappropriate for mariners. There is no lat/lon support anywhere, not even GPS. Nobody goes to sea without this information because you cannot navigate safely without it.
Why are all the controls the same in the so called virtual cockpit? If they can be bothered to make nicely detailed models of the ships & boats, then why is everything else the same? The compass is probably the most important thing for navigation and it is tucked away in bottom left. The binnacles on the bridge wings on the ships don't work.
I could go on and on. I was expecting a semi serious simulation but instead I got a load of nonsense. I was in a incident support vessel in heavy rain and the models don't even have windscreen wipers...
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Very valid points, some of which have been already mentioned.
Please hang fire, there will be updates and patches on their way :thumbs:
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I shouldn't worry Brit, it is all being fixed slowly and surely.
If you read around on the forum you will see that developers are already working to fix key issues, some of which you mentioned above.
All we need is a bit of patience, and we shall see some difference :thumbs:
You are probably expecting a Microsoft style game I take it? Microsoft is enormous, VSTEP are only small and don't have such a big budget to spend making the games.
But give credit, they don't half try do they? Trying to please the fans.
If you watch various videos you will see Frank of VSTEP explaining that the Ship Simulator series is a game specially built for the entertainment industry thus meaning it is a game only.
And he clearly states that for a full blown simulation they have NAUTIS (formely SS Pro) to which extensive development has gone into, including winds, tides and many features.
So if you want something more serious to use, as I presume by the tone of your post.
Then buy NAUTIS, if you can't afford it then Ship Simulator Extremes and it's predecessors are second best.
You won't find another game on the market seriously devoted to shipping.
Give SSE some time though, hey? When ever a game is released there are always problems which have to be fixed, the same with SS 2008 and now look at it. One of the most respected games yet.
And it went through the exact same problems.
But people coped because they had a little bit of patience :thumbs:
Friendly kind regards
Matthew Brown
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Guys,
Some of the features that brit mentioned will most likely not be incoporated into the game in this version (such as tides and currents ect).
However, some issues above should be fixed in the upcoming patch. We'll have to wait and see what lies ahead :)
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What people are talking about aren't "issues" or "problems", they are simply missing features that should have been in the game from the beginning. Some are even in SS08 but they are not in SSE, that is not what I call evolution...
In my opinion, SSE is a step back compared to SS08.
Too much is missing, and it is not finished.
Sure VSTEP will fix the ISSUES, but will they make it better than SS08 in terms of features ?
Much of this has already been said many times on the forums, but after having played the game for a couple of weeks now I am loosing my temper, SSE is not good enough according to me and many others.
Many says: Give it time. Why? I have already paid for it !
Since I have already raged on for a bit, I can just as well point out that the water looks like crap, I have never seen an ocean being one continuous color before... not even a calm one (referring to water where there are no waves).
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Sounds like NO ONE remebers how SS08 was in the beggining!
God dammit! (sorry, but I'm getting abit angry :P ) SS08 was very buggy as a new game, BUT. After some patches it went to be the game that everyone remembers!!
I think SSE may be as big step from SS08 as SS08 was from SS06.
//Tomaten
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if you aint happy dont use it.
I think I will wait for some of the problems to be fixed.
what harm can it do?
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Sounds like NO ONE remebers how SS08 was in the beggining!
God dammit! (sorry, but I'm getting abit angry :P ) SS08 was very buggy as a new game...
//Tomaten
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That's not really a very good excuse is it? Yes, ss2008 was buggy & incomplete on launch and then got better over time, all the more reason to get it right first time this time, but did Vstep learn from that experience and deliver a complete well tested product, no. Customers have a right to a properly functioning & complete product when they pay out their money. Imagine how you would feeling buying a new car and discovering it only had two wheels but don't worry we'll get the other two to you in three months time.
Unfortunately the software publishing industry seems to be a law unto itself at the moment at least VStep are still providing support unlike Ubisoft who have all but abandoned the incomplete Silent Hunter 5 though it still has many bugs. I think VStep have made a huge mistake here though, as now when their big bucks corporate customers type their name into a search engine when looking for Nautis they will discover a whole littany of complaints & damning reviews over this release and think twice about ordering from them.
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I agree with brit, mr. alexandersson, and sonarman.
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Why is SSimulatorE a game and not a simulator?
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Why is SSimulatorE a game and not a simulator?
Lack of navaids.
Lack of wind effects.
Lack of tidal effects (range + flow)
Lack of interactive AI.
Lack of "realism" in bridge displays / controls.
Lack of "atmosphere" (eg Bridge chatter)
etc.
Take a look at a flight simulator and compare the differences. (Before anybody says that Microsoft is huge and VSTEP small; the "ACES" development studio brought by Microsoft (which developed Flight Sim) wasn't that large. Also SSE and FSX cost the same as each other.
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Take a look at a flight simulator and compare the differences. (Before anybody says that Microsoft is huge and VSTEP small; the "ACES" development studio brought by Microsoft (which developed Flight Sim) wasn't that large. Also SSE and FSX cost the same as each other.
You're maybe right about that,however thats more than 20 years ago to.I think flightsim was the first sim which came on the market for the airplanelovers.
Vstep,keep also every time new things in the game,only thats takes time to create.If you look to the water now,this is a complete new waterprogram,just to make it more realistic than the bluecolored water from the 2008 version.
Regards
Marc
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I'm willing to wait a bit for patches, but like many, I was disappointed in lack of scope (the charts and waypoints are so general and small scale.) I hope the new content doesn't cost us more money!
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I'm willing to wait a bit for patches, but like many, I was disappointed in lack of scope (the charts and waypoints are so general and small scale.) I hope the new content doesn't cost us more money!
I am positive there will be updates soon, don't worry. And the ones that cost money will most likely be addon packs, with new ships/environments but my guess thoses won't be out for a while because the game just came out. :thumbs:
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What is the price for ss-pro "nautilus" in euro?
Thank you.
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What is the price for ss-pro "nautilus" in euro?
Thank you.
4000 euro its not a game
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I know it,s not a game.
But i am thinking of building me a ship sim in my cellar. have 3x42 w-screen television good enoug for a bridge. :) But as sse extreme is no it,s not worth building it yet :P
4000 EUR = 31452,07 NOK and this is only for the programware, And can anny one give me a serious answear.
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If you want to make your own simulator,ask direct to Vstep,what you need,also if they come over to installed it for you,testing everything you need to know.
This Nautis sim, is the proffesional stuff of a simulator,so also that goes with alot of money.The support will be from a different kind i think.
Marc
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Thanks for the reply. Marc
And have a nice day.