Ship Simulator
English forum => Small talk => Topic started by: Scottyk9 on June 19, 2010, 01:52:50
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So much more could be done if personal politics would be put aside.
(http://www.seashepherd.org/images/stories/news/2010/news_100618_1_1_Steve_Irwin_and_Arctic_Sunrise_(BV2185).jpg)
The dawn, hazy with the fine blown sand of the Sahara desert, found us without any pursuing tail from the Libyan and Maltese Navies, and so we continued our patrol.
We encountered the Greenpeace ship Arctic Sunrise heading Southwest towards the coordinates of the cage we liberated yesterday. We changed course to intercept them with the intention of communicating with them, but they turned around and fled from us at full speed. We followed and we were able to catch up with them around 1630 Hours.
It was actually quite nice to have the two ships together and as we closed in on them a pod of dolphins appeared and began riding the bow waves of both the Sea Shepherd ship Steve Irwin and the Greenpeace ship Arctic Sunrise. My fellow Greenpeace co-founder, the late Bob Hunter, would have surely taken that as a sign for us to work together.
The Arctic Sunrise radioed us and asked what our intentions were and we said we were simply doing a photo-op, and by the way how about joining us to come save the fish.
“Arctic Sunrise, this is the Steve Irwin. We’ve located a cage with about 800 illegal fish in it and this will be a wonderful opportunity for our two organizations to work together,†said Steve Irwin First Officer Locky MacLean.
After a moment’s hesitation, the captain of the Arctic Sunrise Joel Stewart radioed back and simply said, “That’s a negative.â€
“Ok,†said Locky, “Arctic Sunrise, thanks for the photo-op, have a great day. We’re off to save some fish.â€
It was evident that the Arctic Sunrise did not want an aerial shot of our two ships together side-by-side so they began to go in circles to prevent it. However, the superior speed of the Steve Irwin allowed us to get the picture and then we broke off.
I’m actually quite happy to see the Greenpeace ships in the Mediterranean. They had not been here for the last couple of years but when they heard Sea Shepherd was coming to defend the bluefin, they mobilized the Arctic Sunrise and the Rainbow Warrior. They made a couple of failed attempts to free some fish, they lost two of their expensive inflatable bloats, and they had one of their crew seriously injured, so there is no doubt they are making a serious effort to bring attention to this threat facing the survival of the bluefin.
We wish they would consider returning to the Southern Ocean to defend the whales with us also, but many things have changed for Greenpeace over the years and that inspirational fire that once motivated my colleagues and I when we formed Greenpeace four decades ago has cooled considerably.
But I have to say that when I looked over at the Arctic Sunrise with the dolphins swimming before both our bows, I felt a twinge of pride as a founding father of Greenpeace. I know that Robert Hunter would have loved to have seen this and I know what he would have said if he did. “See Paul, the dolphins have recognized both ships and the fact that not a single dolphin has been seen in a week and suddenly when the two ships come together, they appear before both our bows, well, those delightful armless Buddha’s are wiser than we are and we never seem to listen.â€
And so it was that we headed south back towards Libyan waters, leaving the Arctic Sunrise in our wake. It really is too bad. Together Greenpeace and Sea Shepherd could rock the oceans; together we could be a stronger force to be reckoned with.
As we headed southward, I connected my iPod and played “Somewhere Over the Rainbow†as a tribute to Robert Hunter, and all my old Greenpeace shipmates and marveled at all that we had accomplished since that day when Bob and I blocked that Soviet harpoon with our bodies in June 1975 in the cold waters of the North Pacific. Since then, so much has happened, both positive and negative, but most importantly, some of us have never lost that dream that each of us have within, and that is the power to change the world. All we need to do is dare to make a difference, and to understand that sometimes it takes doing the impossible to achieve the possible.
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Sorry but i feel that the captain of the Arctic Sunrise is a little off i think the Esperanza Captain might have joined in that would have been awsome i dont know why not
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ON second thought the MV Arctic Sunrise is not my favorite ship the Esperanza is so frankly i dont care about what that ship does although their stupid for trying to make circles to stop from taking a pic
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Are you for real, Scotty..? If so welcome, :) if not: stop this nonsense..
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Very much for real.
How was this non-sense ? Due to personal politics fish are dying.
I'm not denying the good greenpeace does but given the resources available to them, so much more could be done.
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Are you for real, Scotty..? If so welcome, :) if not: stop this nonsense..
I dont get it? Saltydog what do you mean is he real?
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I thought he may actually be on a Greenpeace ship.. :)
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No, I'm not. Just reporting commentary passed on from the M/V Steve Irwin. Sorry for not making that clearer.
http://www.seashepherd.org/news-and-media/news-100618-1.html
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I thought he may actually be on a Greenpeace ship.. :)
Yha right! LOL if you havnt seen before he doesnt like Greenpeace
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Speaking of Sea Shepherd look at this they ramed a Fishing Net
http://www.seashepherd.org/news-and-media/news-100617-1.html
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Damn right we did! freed 800 ( or so ) endangered Blue-fin tuna in the process =)
Fisheries reached their quota on the 14th. Any ships catching blue-fin currently are working illegally.
Greenpeace was involved in a similar confrontation on the 13th
http://www.greenpeace.org/international/en/news/features/Mediterranean-bluefin-tuna-action130610/
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OK, calm down Paul ;D
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OK, calm down Paul ;D
haha sorry it's just something i'm passionate about.
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Lol, I Know Im the same way but with Greenpeace So when you say something about Greenpeace, i feel i have to defend
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Common cause different tactics in the end we're both searching for the same goal. We'll get along ok haha
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OK ;) Just Please no more of this baging on Greenpeace, i dont bag on Sea Shepherd So dont bag on Us
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Here's a recent video..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nyCZvmg9aI
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WOW someone was trying to poke someone with a stick
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Hey, those guys are used to insane Japanese whalers..they don't worry about Italian sticks.. ;)
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Hey, those guys are used to insane Japanese whalers..they don't worry about Italian sticks.. ;)
I mean seriously who pokes someone with a stick
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I mean seriously who pokes someone with a stick
desperate criminals lol.
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WOW someone was trying to poke someone with a stick
The stick had a hook on the end. Infact a similar stick/hook injured a greenpeace member and they are currently on shore getting treatment.
It's pretty sick the lengths these illegal fishermen go too.
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LOL
Hey Scott did you get my message by the way i would like you to join Greenpeace Virtual Scotty you'd be a great addition
http://www.greenpeacevirtual.com/forum.htm
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The stick had a hook on the end. Infact a similar stick/hook injured a greenpeace member and they are currently on shore getting treatment.
It's pretty sick the lengths these illegal fishermen go too.
I think Tore posted about that on Greenpeace Virtual with a Activist with a hook in their foot
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If the Italians were civilized, they would throw pizza..
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Or Gilato
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Perhaps throwing lots of Spaghetti Bolognese on the ship is their secret weapon..
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LOL, Now lets stop insulting Italians Before we get in trouble! ;)
I Have a New Signiture what do you think
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I like it.. ;D
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DO sense Sarcasm or is this true you like it
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Looks like this topic is a bit of a war against Greenpeace fan Devin (MVEsperanza) and Sea Shepherd fan Scotty (Scottyk9). :o ::) And it looks like bystanders were caught in it :doh: :lol:
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Looks like this topic is a bit of a war against Greenpeace fan Devin (MVEsperanza) and Sea Shepherd fan Scotty (Scottyk9). :o ::) And it looks like bystanders were caught in it :doh: :lol:
LOL THats what it was going to be but now its resolved I think :2thumbs:
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Looks like this topic is a bit of a war against Greenpeace fan Devin (MVEsperanza) and Sea Shepherd fan Scotty (Scottyk9). :o ::) And it looks like bystanders were caught in it :doh: :lol:
We're both looking for the same result.
And too GP's credit they have been ballsy in their tuna missions which has been nice to see and they are returning to the arctic next winter. Regardless of what they do having GP and SS down there spreads the Japanese thin having to worry about both groups. That can only lead to more whales saved.
The best results would be for SS and GP to work together even in short amounts of time. Hopefully some day it gets to that =)
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They could do alot more if they both partnered also check your PM's Scotty
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Hey Esperanza,
I would like to join Greenpeace Virtual in SSE.
Sounds like a awesome idea!
Are you going te make a own online server?
And stuff like that?
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Hey Esperanza,
I would like to join Greenpeace Virtual in SSE.
Sounds like a awesome idea!
Are you going te make a own online server?
And stuff like that?
Yes we have done that before, we hosted servers in France, San Fran and Phi Phi
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This encounter is even more evidence why Sea Shepherd's ships should be in SS10, and not Greenpeace's. It's evident Sea Shepherd do more, especially seeing as Greenpeace no longer go into the southern oceans to fight the whalers anymore so why have Greenpeace and a whaling ship in the game?
But more on topic, kudos to Sea Shepherd freeing 800 illegal tuna, and kudos to Greenpeace for getting injured and refusing to be photographed, good old Greenpeace you never disappoint!
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Greenpeace no longer go into the southern oceans
EGHHHHHHHENT WRONG, They are returning!
And two Reasons i think Greenpeace Ships are Better than Sea Shepherd Ships Lets See Why
Comparing:
MV Esperanza: Ice Class 2nd Rate, Expedition Class, Long Range Better Fuel Economy, economically efficient propulsion system to reduce CO2 emissions 5 RIBS, Helicopter Capable, 2 × 2,938 bhp, 16 knots
MY Steve Irwin: No Ice Classification, Island class patrol vessel (Not meant for Long Range [hence why they have to return to Hobart for fuel allot]), 2 Ribs, Helicopter Capable, 2 x 2,100 bhp, 16.5 knots
MV Arctic Sunrise: Ice Classification, Research Vessel, 4 ribs, Helicopter Capable, 13 knots
MY Bob Barker: Ice Classification, Ex-Whaler,2 RIBS, Helicopter Capable, 20+ Knots
SV Rainbow Warrior III: Ice Class (Maybe), Expedition/Research, 10 knots, Helicopter capable, Sail Powered (ultimate Green), Electric Back Up Generator
RV Farley Mowat: Ice Class, Helicopter Capable, 2 RIBS (I dont know if theres 1 but ill say two)
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EGHHHHHHHENT WRONG, They are returning!
And two Reasons i think Greenpeace Ships are Better than Sea Shepherd Ships Lets See Why
Comparing:
MV Esperanza: Ice Class 2nd Rate, Expedition Class, Long Range Better Fuel Economy, economically efficient propulsion system to reduce CO2 emissions 5 RIBS, Helicopter Capable, 2 × 2,938 bhp, 16 knots
MY Steve Irwin: No Ice Classification, Island class patrol vessel (Not meant for Long Range [hence why they have to return to Hobart for fuel allot]), 2 Ribs, Helicopter Capable, 2 x 2,100 bhp, 16.5 knots
MV Arctic Sunrise: Ice Classification, Research Vessel, 4 ribs, Helicopter Capable, 13 knots
MY Bob Barker: Ice Classification, Ex-Whaler,2 RIBS, Helicopter Capable, 20+ Knots
SV Rainbow Warrior III: Ice Class (Maybe), Expedition/Research, 10 knots, Helicopter capable, Sail Powered (ultimate Green), Electric Back Up Generator
RV Farley Mowat: Ice Class, Helicopter Capable, 2 RIBS (I dont know if theres 1 but ill say two)
Ugh just when I was starting not to totally hate GP they go and do this...
JUST over two years after Greenpeace last ran direct action against Japanese whaling in the Antarctic, the environmental organisation has joined calls for a deal - even if it is hard to digest.
The world's original anti-whaling group has signed on to a joint statement, with the World Wildlife Fund and the influential US Pew Environment Group, that would allow commercial whaling in the northern hemisphere.
In exchange, it wants ''a phase-out of all whaling in the [Antarctic's] Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary'', said Greenpeace oceans campaign head Sarah Duthie.
Greenpeace's change of heart surprised some. ''I think they're kidding themselves,'' said Darren Kindleysides, the director of the Australian Marine Conservation Society, in Agadir yesterday. ''They are giving up on the moratorium on global commercial whaling.''
But on the eve of what Environment Minister Peter Garrett forecast would be the single most important International Whaling Commission meeting in 30 years, the Greenpeace shift signified a spreading mood for compromise.
The outcome will not necessarily favour Greenpeace, or Australia, which wants a five-year phase-out of all Antarctic whaling.
In a split from previous trans-Tasman solidarity, New Zealand is being praised by a pro-whaling source for its ''true leadership'' in trying with the United States to broker a deal Japan could accept.
A key negotiator is former NZ prime minister Sir Geoffrey Palmer, whose work on the compromise began three years ago with the Pew Foundation in a meeting at the UN in New York.
He will be joined by more high-level ministers and officials at the IWC's 62nd annual meeting than ever before, in another pointer to a deal being made.
Japan's delegation will be led by the director-general of its powerful Fisheries Agency, Katsuhiro Machida, and vice-minister of Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries Yasue Funayama.
They will build on a proposal first put forward by the Chilean IWC chairman, Cristian Maquieira, who suggested 400 minke whales and 10 fin whales could be taken in the Antarctic for the next five years, in a total global commercial hunt of 1312 whales.
This is 200 whales fewer than were harpooned last year around the world through loopholes in the 24-year commercial whaling moratorium. In Japan's case, it would mean a cut of about 100 whales on last summer's protest-disrupted Antarctic hunt, and better than a halving of the 935-whale ''scientific'' quota it awards itself.
Tokyo argues that now it has made the tough decisions, it's time for Australia to make some too. But Mr Garrett said Australia was not alone in its hardline opposition, with Latin American and many European countries agreeing.
NO COMPROMISE, NO WHALING.
Not a attack against you MVEsperanza... just ugh... all the yrs of work and the progress just for GP to want to throw it out ?
Either way SS will be in the Arctic next yr.
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But you do know that im sure they are setting them up! They are going to say have whaling in the Northern Hemisphere and we can Intervine Maybe, but my reasons why Sea Shepherd Ship are not as Good as Greenpeace Ships are true
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"Two whaling officials at Japan's Fisheries Agency, which sets the national agenda on whaling issues, said the country will not give up its Antarctic hunts, with one calling them "crucial". Makoto Ito, managing director of Kyodo Senpaku, the company that runs the annual Antarctic hunt, said he didn't think they should end, as "we need to collect more data".
http://news.scotsman.com/world/Nations-set-to-go-into.6373401.jp
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But you do know that im sure they are setting them up! They are going to say have whaling in the Northern Hemisphere and we can Intervine Maybe, but my reasons why Sea Shepherd Ship are not as Good as Greenpeace Ships are true
It's hard to set them up, Most northern hemisphere whaling will be done in the respected countries territorial waters, which neither SS or GP can enter.
And yes, of course GP has the better ships their budget is 20x over what SS could ever muster up. Greenpeace is very much corporate.
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Also for the record the Farley Mowat is no longer a SS ship. The Canadian goverment sold it after impounding it ( with pauls premission )it wasn't suitable for more missions
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"Two whaling officials at Japan's Fisheries Agency, which sets the national agenda on whaling issues, said the country will not give up its Antarctic hunts, with one calling them "crucial". Makoto Ito, managing director of Kyodo Senpaku, the company that runs the annual Antarctic hunt, said he didn't think they should end, as "we need to collect more data".
http://news.scotsman.com/world/Nations-set-to-go-into.6373401.jp
DATA WHAT DATA, there sales revenue? They're only making money! Good Greenpeace's Proposal didn't work you can go back to liking GP again Scotty, So now they will return to the Southern Whaling Sanctuary This Year! Maybe next season of whale wars they will see a Greenpeace Ship In it! So Get ready Sea Shepherd the 2nd Calvary is on the Way!
And yes, of course GP has the better ships their budget is 20x over what SS could ever muster up. Greenpeace is very much corporate.
Thank you you agree
Also for the record the Farley Mowat is no longer a SS ship. The Canadian goverment sold it after impounding it ( with pauls premission )it wasn't suitable for more missions
Oh ok thats why she wasnt in SS Whale Wars! I thought she was off on her own campaign for Anti-Sealing
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DATA WHAT DATA, there sales revenue? They're only making money! Good Greenpeace's Proposal didn't work you can go back to liking GP again Scotty, So now they will return to the Southern Whaling Sanctuary This Year! Maybe next season of whale wars they will see a Greenpeace Ship In it! So Get ready Sea Shepherd the 2nd Calvary is on the Way!
Thank you you agree
Oh ok thats why she wasnt in SS Whale Wars! I thought she was off on her own campaign for Anti-Sealing
Just having you guys down there will help. Keep the pressure on the Japanese and hopefully help keep a tail off us lol
The Bob Barker and Steve Irwin will be returning next winter. A 3rd ship is in the works but not much is known about it it wont be another ady gil / earth race type ship not enough time to get one built but Ady Gil himself is funding a sister ship for later down the road.
SS has a ace up it's sleeve also, SS member Peter Brown has started a group of his own to take to the skies within the 200 mile austrailan EZZ. Hopefully will be able to spot the tail that Japan usually has waiting outside the EZZ and the Steve Irwin can avoid it.
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Just having you guys down there will help. Keep the pressure on the Japanese and hopefully help keep a tail off us lol
The Bob Barker and Steve Irwin will be returning next winter. A 3rd ship is in the works but not much is known about it it wont be another ady gil / earth race type ship not enough time to get one built but Ady Gil himself is funding a sister ship for later down the road.
HUH Cool, Hopedfully in the 2011 Campaign we will have the RWIII with us
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It would seem Greenpeace leans towards going along with the compromise that allows Japan to catch a limited number of whales in the Antarctic for a number of years..
That's like saying:
African Park Guard: "Sorry, you can't shoot elephants here, they are protected"..
Japanese Hunter: "But my people have eaten elephant meat for centuries, it is part of our culture.
Besides, after we kill them we also do research on them"..
African Park Guard: "Research ? What do you research ?"
Japanese Hunter: "We research if they taste differently from former years"
African Park Guard: "Well, if you promise to kill only 20 instead of your intended 100, I guess it's ok"..
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I wrote a debate paper in English class bout whaling. Basically my conclusion was, that whaling won't be stopped completely, until the International Whale Commission lowers the amount of whales that are aloud to be killed, step by step lowering every year. Greenpeace, I like. They are UN-violent, peaceful, and do not hurt the whalers in any way. Sea Shepard on the other hand in my opinion has gone to far. They have done ridicules things that are pretty much, all their fault, they are more violent. If you were a whaling worker, trying to make a living in japan to raise your family, and then Big o' Mr. Watson drives up and starts throwing some stuff on your deck that smells horrible and you are slipping all over the place etc. etc. etc. and ruins your day. I think Sea Shepard captain Paul Watson is just mad that he got fired from Greenpeace, and is trying to overpower them now. Greenpeace is better. Maybe he should have learned from why he got fired, HE'S TO VIOLENT!
Uh, thanks bye. ;D
P.S. I know this kinda doesn't really go with topic but i had to get it out ;P
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The whaling commision did set a number of whales allowed to be killed in the whale sanctuary..
That number is 0.. Unfortunately they added a loophole called "for Research purposes"..
Under this guise the Japanese invade this internationally established sanctuary for profit..
This isn't really about Paul Watson and his amateur crew, nor about Sea Shepherd..
It's about Japan respecting international law..
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I see. Well why can't a government go to the whaling companies and just shut them down then!?! Then theirs the illegal whaling going on, but at least not the big commercial whaling industries..
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If only it were that simple, chris..I'm sure the Australian Navy could turn the whaling fleet, but I doubt they will..
I'm pretty pessimistic of the outcome of the conference in Agadir..Things will probably drag on for years to come..
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The whaling commision did set a number of whales allowed to be killed in the whale sanctuary..
That number is 0.. Unfortunately they added a loophole called "for Research purposes"..
Under this guise the Japanese invade this internationally established sanctuary for profit..
This isn't really about Paul Watson and his amateur crew, nor about Sea Shepherd..
It's about Japan respecting international law..
Japan gets around the 0 quota with the research tag. They don't get around whaling where they do with that tag. They get around it by the Aussie goverment sitting on their hands and not giving a ****. Forcing a group of every day men who volunteer to do their job.
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Japan gets around the 0 quota with the research tag. They don't get around whaling where they do with that tag. They get around it by the Aussie goverment sitting on their hands and not giving a crap. Forcing a group of every day men who volunteer to do their job.
Let me add it disgusts me Obama is on with this compromise. He lost my re-election vote.
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you know we are forgetting one other The Australian Customs & Fisheries Patrol Department and thier ship the Oceanic Viking, They are Semi Violent and Are armed
(http://i47.tinypic.com/2hyv0b4.jpg)
You have to have seen her before scotty if you remember tell me where
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you know we are forgetting one other The Australian Customs & Fisheries Patrol Department and thier ship the Oceanic Viking, They are Semi Violent and Are armed
(http://i47.tinypic.com/2hyv0b4.jpg)
You have to have seen her before scotty if you remember tell me where
The oceanic viking was sent to the southern ocean this past winter for pangarion tooth fish studies ( spelling ? )
More famously she was sent down in 2007 to pick up Pottsy ( the other members name escapes me ) after he Boarded the Shonan Maru #2 and was transfered from the viking to the SI.
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It all boils down to: Japan is a strong economic power..Let's not upset them too much..
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It all boils down to: Japan is a strong economic power..Let's not upset them too much..
True
And Scotty
Benjamin Potts
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Giles Lane
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Hoy,everyone
I follow this conversation some time from a distance,and its very interesting to.
I realy like the difference in ships compair to Greenpeace and Sea Shepherd org.
It seems that Greenpeace has a complete different approach to the problem than Sea Shepherd org.
I'm also against whaling no matter were its done on this planet,and we all know that it's a big lie that it only for science.
Japanese realy love fish(any fish)look to the tuna,that fish is also almost gone from the earth.And look at this problem a bit further to.
Japan is also one of the causes on the piracyproblem.One guy from there gave an interview and said:Years ago we were fishing in our coastal area,and suplied fish for the local market,and made money.
Now when they put their nets into the water,big factory sized fishingvessels run over them that they loose alsot of gear and money.The local fishmarket has gone and also the fish now.
BTW,its not only the japanese,also spanish vessels go around the world.The problem is not only whaling it goes further you see.
One country is realy defend their fisherygrounds(area's)very strong,and thats Iceland.If any vessel is going near or cross the "border",navyships are there in a short time,and afther some warnings they even ram the intruder,no matter what.
Regards
Marc
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Hoy,everyone
I follow this conversation some time from a distance,and its very interesting to.
I realy like the difference in ships compair to Greenpeace and Sea Shepherd org.
It seems that Greenpeace has a complete different approach to the problem than Sea Shepherd org.
I'm also against whaling no matter were its done on this planet,and we all know that it's a big lie that it only for science.
Japanese realy love fish(any fish)look to the tuna,that fish is also almost gone from the earth.And look at this problem a bit further to.
Japan is also one of the causes on the piracyproblem.One guy from there gave an interview and said:Years ago we were fishing in our coastal area,and suplied fish for the local market,and made money.
Now when they put their nets into the water,big factory sized fishingvessels run over them that they loose alsot of gear and money.The local fishmarket has gone and also the fish now.
BTW,its not only the japanese,also spanish vessels go around the world.The problem is not only whaling it goes further you see.
One country is realy defend their fisherygrounds(area's)very strong,and thats Iceland.If any vessel is going near or cross the "border",navyships are there in a short time,and afther some warnings they even ram the intruder,no matter what.
Regards
Marc
Wow I'm supprised to see you join into this converstion! You make a good point and its the same exact thought i had the other day what if WHaling Ships from Japan Crossed the Pacfic to the California coast and started to Kill our State Sea Animal the Grey Whale! My dad said im sure our coast guard Cutters (Bertholf and Boutwell) would be out there Shooting Warning Morters Across their Bow
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Yes, a lot of problems about fish..We are emptying the oceans, and also the other day I watched a docu about all the plastic in the oceans..It's a big problem..
I am sure the Japanese would not dare to venture into American waters..
In the Antarctic it is relatively safe. No one to see what they do, except those pesky Sea Shepherds.. :)
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Yes, a lot of problems about fish..We are emptying the oceans, and also the other day I watched a docu about all the plastic in the oceans..It's a big problem..
I am sure the Japanese would not dare to venture into American waters..
In the Antarctic it is relatively safe. No one to see what they do, except those pesky Sea Shepherds.. :)
Well What do yo think the we would do if they came into our waters?
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If your flag is your true colours, I would imagine you would give them a motivation to leave.. :)
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If your flag is your true colours, I would imagine you would give them a motivation to leave.. :)
I dont get it you mean like Shoot them
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That would be rude..There are more subtle ways of motivation, like asking/telling them.. ;)
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That would be rude..There are more subtle ways of motivation, like asking/telling them.. ;)
Rude and Harmful Lol, Yha that would work
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I hate whaling, really hate it. But what if tuna or cod becomes endangered? Will we stop eating it? I very much doubt it.
What if Japan wanted us to stop fishing? We're as bad as they are.
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I hate whaling, really hate it. But what if tuna or cod becomes endangered? Will we stop eating it? I very much doubt it.
What if Japan wanted us to stop fishing? We're as bad as they are.
But i mean whaling its not like we cast a line and go Hey Dad I caught a.... Fin Whale?
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No, I meant offshore fishing.
We are fishing the seas at a rate which is higher than the rate at which fish stocks replenish.
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well CA banned Salmon Fishing or was it tuna or Both IDK
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That's one place. Not enough.
We're in the same position, but with a different type of fish. It just happens that they catch big, blubbery ones.
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See im Fish Friendly I dont Fish or Eat Fish, I eat Sushi but rarely and its mostly California Rolls Rice, Cucumber and crab and sea-weed, Made by japaneese not my problem LOL
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See im Fish Friendly I dont Fish or Eat Fish, I eat Sushi but rarely and its mostly California Rolls Rice, Cucumber and crab and sea-weed, Made by japaneese not my problem LOL
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They killed the Fish, I ate it, Plus Crab in it not extinct
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Well, in eating it, you are supporting it.
Fine if it's not endangered, but if it is...
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Well, in eating it, you are supporting it.
Fine if it's not endangered, but if it is...
Ok..... Anyway, I dont eat Fish, I think the crab in it is Also Artificial so Maybe its Fake
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Good Boy :thumbs: :doh:
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Woof! :doh:
Lol, Well its 1:30 Am and i have to be up at 7:00 tomorrow So :sleepy:
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Nice, 9:30AM here
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Nice, 9:30AM here
I give the Watch to You, Now dont Sink Me Ship
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Very good, Go fetch me a cup of tea. :evil:
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Very good, Go fetch me a cup of tea. :evil:
Already Sleeping :doh: :sleepy: :evil:
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Well, bluefin tuna is close to get of this world.
The whole system of fishing should be changed,because it takes every fish and the chains destroy the seabottom.
In the early years fishing was an art,captains and crew needed to like we would say"read the water".Today fishfinders leave no escape for fish,it can been seen on the monitor of that device,whats there and howmuch.
I've been on the northsea with fishingvessel years ago(when i was younger)
i've seen how many very young fish died,because they were on in the bottom of the net.Fish with a lenght of 2 a 3 inches(10 cm).The nets were autorized gear with the right (maze)holes.
During the fishing,that smal fish did not passed the holes,and was pressed against the net,i dont have to tell you how it looks like.
Many different things should be changed in the fishingindustry,but no one has the balls to do it.They will change,when the last fish has been caught in the net.Than the fishing industry will die to,and they will blame others for it.
I think we point the nozes in the same direction,on this matter.
Marc
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BTW,here are pics of the vessel i was on,years ago.
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I will always say, it's good that Greenpeace ships are going to be in Ship Simulator but what happens to the people that prefer Sea Shepherd? They're stuck sailing a Greenpeace ship :doh:
Good on Greenpeace for what they do, well I mean in my opinion they could do more but I suppose as a protest organization that's about all they will do.
And Sea Shepherd is an intervention, law-enforcement organization.
I will enjoy sailing the Esperanza of course.
But what I do not agree on is that Greenpeace will not work with Sea Shepherd and therefore have signed a contract to keep their ships out of the game, that really upsets me. :'(
But hopefully Greenpeace can finally realise their goal is the same as Sea Shepherd Conservation Society.
Fair enough that both Greenpeace and SSCS ships are registered in the Netherlands, which is where Ship Simulator comes from. And everyone knows that the Primeminister of the Netherlands really detests Whaling.
So therefore he should decide if Sea Shepherd are allowed in the game and Greenpeace shouldn't decide.
So what I'm saying is that of course, let both GP & SSCS be in the game I'm not saying I just want my favourite.
So hopefully we will see the introduction of the Steve Irwin :thumbs:
If you would really like to do something? Then you can contact:
The Dutch Primeminister: https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/contact/contactformulier (https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/contact/contactformulier)
Greenpeace: http://www.greenpeace.org/international/en/about/worldwide/ (http://www.greenpeace.org/international/en/about/worldwide/)
Sea Shepherd: http://www.seashepherd.org/contact/general-public.html (http://www.seashepherd.org/contact/general-public.html)
And at the moment I'm really not sure whether to buy the donation edition or not, I obviously want to help an organization that saves the environment, but on the other hand if Greenpeace refuse to work with Sea Shepherd then they need to work that out and until they do then I'm sorry but I won't be donating.
I would rather donate to SSCS on their website and buy the regular edition. And also if the Steve Irwin is to be in the shipyard then it would be great if 50% goes to SSCS like the Elbe!
Sorry about being so long :doh: :2thumbs:
Kind Regards
Matthew
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And also if the Steve Irwin is to be in the shipyard then it would be great if 50% goes to SSCS like the Elbe!
That wil be a great idea. If you dont want sea shepherd. Just dont buy the ship.
if you want sea shepherd you can buy it in the shipyard.
But then the Bob barker has to be in it too.
If vstep wil do such a thing. They have to get blue prints from both the vessels. Isnt that going to be a problem?
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If vstep wil do such a thing. They have to get blue prints from both the vessels. Isnt that going to be a problem?
They can get them the same way they did with Greenpeace ;)
I mean, who wouldn't want the Steve Irwin in the game? :P http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_c6Cmen9cvSQ/S7XfGXUI4BI/AAAAAAAAApM/FiaVVvJ7Q5w/s1600/ship_final_clean_sm.jpg
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I mean, who wouldn't want the Steve Irwin in the game? :P
Me. :)
:P
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Me. :)
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Me too...
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Me three.. :doh:
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Me four :P
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That's a good yes isn't it? :thumbs:
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No...
Just because the Steve Irwin is owned by an organisation which prides itself on ramming ships to save whales, doesn't mean it's any more interesting than the other ships out there...Just because you want to see it in the game doesn't mean everyone else does...
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And Greenpeace, just because the Esperanza is owned by an organization which prides itself on taking photos to save whales, doesn't mean it's any more interesting than the Steve Irwin.
So they're both equal. lol :p
And just because people want the Esperanza, doesn't mean everyone else does...
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No...you're not getting my point. V-STEP obviously decided to include Esperenza for a reason...I think she is enough. If you started adding more ships and organisations, it'll get out of hand. Where do you draw the line with something like this? is my question...
And that's true - not everyone may want the Esperenza. But not everyone wants to see the Steve Irwin either...this isn't a game revolving around Whale Wars...it's a Simulation - and that IS the point of this game...
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All I'm saying is that if it is a simulation game, people would like to try their hand at two organizations it would be quite fun.
I never said it has to revolve around Whale Wars, it could be the same mission as the Esperanzas.
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That wil be a great idea. If you dont want sea shepherd. Just dont buy the ship.
if you want sea shepherd you can buy it in the shipyard.
But then the Bob barker has to be in it too.
If vstep wil do such a thing. They have to get blue prints from both the vessels. Isnt that going to be a problem?
^^ That's all I'm asking, full stop.
If people like the Steve Irwin, good they can buy her while helping out the SSCS.
If not, no problem don't buy her!
Greenpeace need to be a bit more tolerant thats all :)
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All I'm saying is that if it is a simulation game, people would like to try their hand at two organizations it would be quite fun.
I never said it has to revolve around Whale Wars, it could be the same mission as the Esperanzas.
A simulation game doesn't revolve around organisations either..
Ship Simulator revolves around ship handling...Organisations like Greenpeace are just things to base stories on...Ie missions.
Sure it's 'cool' to have these organisations, but at the end of the day, you have to think about what other people want too...it's quite clear that a lot of people aren't overly interested in the Steve Irwin. I can understand your interest, and wanting to have her in the game...but there are many other ships out there which could be nice editions to the game....and we haven't got them. That's just the way it is.
Everything here seems to revolve around the fact that because one organisation is in the game, there needs to be another, and another, and another...there are people here who still want to be in a simulation...that includes myself.
Jack.
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Greenpeace need to be a bit more tolerant thats all :)
Maybe Sea Shepard need to operate a little bit more inside of the law, so as not to be in a position of 'two wrongs do not make a right', all the time.
Maybe it's too controversial to put them in, because of how they operate. Too many real sailors already are disgusted by their 'seamanship' as it is, and the way 'captain' paul puts newbies in mortal danger without no appearant regard for their safety, not to mention the negative feelings their ramming envokes with true seamen, who are after all the bulk of the Ship Sim community.
Sea Shepard themselves are the main reason there are no Sea Shepard vessels appearing in SSE, really. ;)
You only need one organisation to play these type of missions, just like you don't need two pilot boats to do that job, or two rescue boats, or two huge container vessels, two VLCC's, etc. And Vstep has gone with the more widespread accepted one. As logic would dictate too.
You really think GP and SS are going to solve their differences for the benefit of a computer game so you fanboys can ram whalers with black pirate ships? ;D
Nah, don't think it will happen. :doh:
Fred
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Lol, ;D Nicely put Fred.
Although people seem to confuse things a little. Sea Shepherd don't intentionally go " Ohhh!!! A whaling ship lets go full speed and ram it!!!" It's just unfortunate that it's always the same...
-Steve Irwin draws up alongside the Shonan Maru
-Steve Irwin makes VHF announcement "You are here in these waters illegally"
-Shonan Maru doesn't listen
-Steve irwin throws smelly butter to well, make the boat stink and taint the whale meat and deck.
-Shonan Maru gets annoyed and does a crazy manouever. And blames Sea Shepherd.
-Shonan Maru reports man injured
-Steve Irwin says they never hit anybody and offers help with their doctor.
-Shonan Maru then says nothing.
:doh:
Where as Greenpeace are thought of as more peaceful as they...
-Send out zodiacs with protesting signs
-Stand back from the action and take photos.
But if the whalers already know that whaling is bad they're not suddenly going to stop because of the signs being shown by greenpeace. And I could do the same, and blame Greenpeace for ramming the whalers like that incident before, the Artic Sunrise went to close and the Shonan Maru got annoyed hence resulting in what i prefer to call " a collision" not a ramming! The only ramming done is by the whalers.
I recall that the storage/petrol ship "Oriental Bluebird" fled from the Antartic after a collision with Sea Shepherd, sometimes actions speak louder than words and that was a true case. It has never come back.
I stand by my point: Steve Irwin as a shipyard vessel, to not Ram ;) but intervene and then accidently get caught up by the Shonan Marus CRAAAZY captain!
Regards
Matthew :thumbs:
P.S. This is a collision: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNCTNuX6aSg
This is being rammed:
SSCS view: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bbuq0YEIPNU
(Caution strong language)
Whaler View: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ua5RHIOam
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Sorry mate, but you need to get your facts from more places than just the one, biassed side.
Cause it's simply not true. Sorry. :-\
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Lol, ;D Nicely put Fred.
Although people seem to confuse things a little. Sea Shepherd don't intentionally go " Ohhh!!! A whaling ship lets go full speed and ram it!!!" It's just unfortunate that it's always the same...
-Steve Irwin draws up alongside the Shonan Maru
-Steve Irwin makes VHF announcement "You are here in these waters illegally"
-Shonan Maru doesn't listen
I stand by my point: Steve Irwin as a shipyard vessel, to not Ram ;) but intervene and then accidently get caught up by the Shonan Marus CRAAAZY captain!
-Steve Irwin shouldn't be anywhere near the Shonan Maru in the first place.
-The Steve Irwin has no authority to do anything, or question them. If the Shonan Maru was fishing illegally i'm sure people in high places wouldn't be overly impressed...
-Shonan Maru is fed up of being tormented by them. It's no surprise they do not listen.
Shonan Maru's crazy Captain? Have you seen Paul Watson?? Ramming other ships and claiming that something in his top pocket saved his life from gunfire? Don't think so...
There is no "confusion" about it. Sea Shep are interested in the cameras, and if the competancy of the crew and captain is anything to go by, I think it's fairly clear to say that there is a big problem...
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I disagree on that, but I'm not going into it any further :) I've expressed my views and I stand by them.
We all agree on something, or something different. That's fine.
I prefer different ways of intervention to get things stopped than other people, but hey we all have the same goal!
Regards
Matthew :thumbs:
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As i see whale wares on television,i have to say.
That also Fred has right,the captain of the Steve Irwin,is not realy thinking of his crew,when he starts to act.
It's been on tele many times now,everybody could see.
If you also listen to the captain when he says something about safety,well actions come before safety.
Ramming vessels is not realy the way to do something against whaling to.On this matter also the icelandic navy does do ramming to other fishingvessels,afther several warnings.In a way it's the same as Sea Sheperd.
Some day it will go wrong on the Steve Irwin,if he keep on doing like he's doing.Who will take responsability than,captain Paul??his first mate,witch i will never trust,if i see him doing.
I think they should take some more experienced people onboard,instead of students.
Thanks to the first mate,the zodiac turned upside down while launching,i dont know if you have seen it,second time the first mate needed to steer trough an icefield,and he could not understand the degrees/heading from his crewmembers.However he blames everytime someone else.These are not the people i want on a boat with.
Marc
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Ok all i have to Say Matt is that when you first joined this forum you where in love with the Esperanza you even asked to be On Greenpeace Virtual Captains as her joint captain and you loved Greenpeace and you thought they were better than SS
Now youve turned into the Major SS Fan with all these fact well all i have to say is Good Luck because SS Ships will probrably not be In SSE thats Pretty much it
Fred is right get your facts into place, before you post!
Also i think that SS Virtual and Greenpeace Virtual might be in a competition Now i dont know why but i think its coming
Sea Shepherd Virtual (Not owned by Me) Mathew Browns Virtual Company
http://seashepherd.forumotion.com/
Greenpeace Virtual
http://www.greenpeacevirtual.com/forum.htm
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I didn't like the fact that organisations got mixed with shipsim in the first place.
Shipsim used to be about manoeuvering big and small ships, it still should be!
Not about a campaign about illegal fishing on whales. I think a lot of people don't even care about the whales, they just care about a black ship ramming other ships and that is 'cool'. Or blue ship that you see on television.
Luckily there still are other campaigns in the game, but I think the Greenpeace campaign is allready pulling to much attention.
In my eyes, this is just like the Titanic fans. They care the most about only one thing.
And that is their ship being in the game.
Now it is about Sea Sheperd or Greenpeace.
I hold my heart for multiplayer ::)
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Ok all i have to Say Matt is that when you first joined this forum you where in love with the Esperanza you even asked to be On Greenpeace Virtual Captains as her joint captain and you loved Greenpeace and you thought they were better than SS
Now youve turned into the Major SS Fan with all these fact well all i have to say is Good Luck because SS Ships will probrably not be In SSE thats Pretty much it
Fred is right get your facts into place, before you post!
Also i think that SS Virtual and Greenpeace Virtual might be in a competition Now i dont know why but i think its coming
Sea Shepherd Virtual (Not owned by Me) Mathew Browns Virtual Company
http://seashepherd.forumotion.com/
Greenpeace Virtual
http://www.greenpeacevirtual.com/forum.htm
I'm staying out of the middle of this one and going free-lance lol.
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The Esperanza is Not on TV
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The Esperanza is Not on TV
I think your missing the point Devin...and I agree to a certain extent. Its neat to be able to captain REAL vessels, however with the whole organizations/competitors being mixed it as sam said we may have 'forgotten' the true point of ship SIMULATOR
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I think your missing the point Devin...and I agree to a certain extent. Its neat to be able to captain REAL vessels, however with the whole organizations/competitors being mixed it as sam said we may have 'forgotten' the true point of ship SIMULATOR
Your rught, Ok after all this is Ship Simulator there is nothing we can do to stop GP Ships from being put into the game realy, or even adding Sea Shepherd Ships in game its all up to Vstep, not us! We can give ideas and Suggestions but when it comes down to it they make the decissions.
So Back on topic Everyone talk peacefully amongst our selves and keep it in Order! So Greenpeace and Sea Shepherd I wanna take a vote and dont get All riled up..
Whos Ships are better
Greenpeace?
or..
Sea Shepherd
I choose Greenpeace for these Reasons take a look:
Comparing:
MV Esperanza: Ice Class 2nd Rate, Expedition Class, Long Range Better Fuel Economy, economically efficient propulsion system to reduce CO2 emissions 5 RIBS, Helicopter Capable, 2 × 2,938 bhp, 16 knots
MY Steve Irwin: No Ice Classification, Island class patrol vessel (Not meant for Long Range [hence why they have to return to Hobart for fuel allot]), 2 Ribs, Helicopter Capable, 2 x 2,100 bhp, 16.5 knots
MV Arctic Sunrise: Ice Classification, Research Vessel, 4 ribs, Helicopter Capable, 13 knots
MY Bob Barker: Ice Classification, Ex-Whaler,2 RIBS, Helicopter Capable, 20+ Knots
SV Rainbow Warrior III: Ice Class (Maybe), Expedition/Research, 10 knots, Helicopter capable, Sail Powered (ultimate Green), Electric Back Up Generator
RV Farley Mowat: Ice Class, Helicopter Capable, 2 RIBS (I dont know if theres 1 but ill say two)
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I don't really consider myself going off-topic.
I don't realy like greenpeace and certeighnly not Sea Shepherd.
I just like the game without them!
But now Greenpeace is in, its not bad offcourse. I just know that to much people will keep on having arguments about Greenpeace and/or Greenpeace. So I hope not to much attention will be put into them.
Like in ss08 people started to get annoyed from Titanic fans asking for to much.
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Your rught, Ok after all this is Ship Simulator there is nothing we can do to stop GP Ships from being put into the game realy, or even adding Sea Shepherd Ships in game its all up to Vstep, not us! We can give ideas and Suggestions but when it comes down to it they make the decissions.
So Back on topic Everyone talk peacefully amongst our selves and keep it in Order! So Greenpeace and Sea Shepherd I wanna take a vote and dont get All riled up..
Whos Ships are better
Greenpeace?
or..
Sea Shepherd
I choose Greenpeace for these Reasons take a look:
You do realize it's comparing apples to oranges right ?
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You do realize it's comparing apples to oranges right ?
I would say terrorists to campaigners myself. I think a lot of seamen would agree.
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I would say terrorists to campaigners myself. I think a lot of seamen would agree.
I wasn't comparing the 2 organizations in terms of their tactics you narrow minded ****.
But since your on the subject, at least it gets results. Damn good ones at that.
Edited for language - Fred
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Well, you all have scotty to thank for once again getting this particular subject shut down.
Topic locked, and any new 'GP vs. SS' discussions are off limits, we will delete them again from now on.
There always are some that do not want to play nice, and this game is not about the domestic issues of a couple of environmental organisations.
When well informed arguement does not come into it any more, and the namecalling starts again, we draw the line again.
Regards,
Fred