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English forum => Small talk => Topic started by: Master Captain on September 27, 2009, 23:11:28
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Any american kid will go nuts here, http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090927/ap_on_re_us/us_more_school (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090927/ap_on_re_us/us_more_school) Yup obama wants more school, summer, school until 5pm. No life much? :P
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Nooooooooooooo
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Well, you knew who you voted. :thumbs:
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He has my vote, if I had one. :evil:
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oh fred how could you, besides that would mean alot less activity from us americans ::)
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He hasn't touched my school yet, i have school till 2:00 PM.:lol:
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Well you have to look at the bigger picture... :P
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I get out at 3 If he odes that hes askin for trouble :evil:
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I get out when ever I want to get out.
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Lol, what a riddiculous thing for him to do ::)
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He hasn't touched my school yet, i have school till 2:00 PM.:lol:
this isn't somethign he has done yet, he wants to though
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I can't understand that....When he says, he wants to be level with the rest of the world with regards to education, I thought you had to stay in school until you were 18 over there..? Or am I wrong?
Jack.
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I can't understand that....When he says, he wants to be level with the rest of the world with regards to education, I thought you had to stay in school until you were 18 over there..? Or am I wrong?
Jack.
You have to stay though 12th grade, although my brother dropped out....
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In Norway they are going at school from the year you get 6 years old and to 10th grade.
i thinks that are a good thin cos they are learning more, after that they can go on a high school or university to study more so around 25 to 30 year you have a good education.
the school is not a bad thing, you will have it like you self do it to be
TJK
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You obviously don't see it now, however the more school time you have plus study time the more likely it is to come out of education with the strongest possibillity with good qualifications to get a good job with a good pay which leads to a good lifestyle.
Obama is thinking of your futures, and you guys "over the pond" don't seem to see that. :-\
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indeed, school is good
not fun all times thought ;D
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You obviously don't see it now, however the more school time you have plus study time the more likely it is to come out of education with the strongest possibillity with good qualifications to get a good job with a good pay which leads to a good lifestyle.
Obama is thinking of your futures, and you guys "over the pond" don't seem to see that. :-\
Here here. I totally agree...
You lot should remember that a good education is the key to life...
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indeeed :2thumbs:
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oh fred how could you, besides that would mean alot less activity from us americans ::)
You aren't really helping your arguement there... ;D
You obviously don't see it now, however the more school time you have plus study time the more likely it is to come out of education with the strongest possibillity with good qualifications to get a good job with a good pay which leads to a good lifestyle.
I would agree with this- to a point. But no one seems to realise that years stuck in prison school isn't for everyone. I stayed on into A levels, hated it, dumped nearly all my subjects... Then took a dose of the real world and ripped up the rule book. Perhaps its the QUALITY rather than QUANTITY of school that is the issue.
PS. To those people who are against more school... No offence, but if you check your grammer, punctuation and spelling, then you might see ONE good reason to extend school... (off to dart behind a reinforced wall)
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I personally think, if School had more "Work Experience", It would be better. So, for example, at GCSE, you could have world experience for one day every week/two weeks. I think that would motivate "Us" more, to be honest.
Jack.
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I personally think, if School had more "Work Experience", It would be better. So, for example, at GCSE, you could have world experience for one day every week/two weeks. I think that would motivate "Us" more, to be honest.
Jack.
You just want work experience to get to work on the Stena Ships :P
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As always, you make a good point Jack.... Back in the dark ages when I was at school, 'practical experience' was the thing that was reserved only for the thickos- a VERY BAD POLICY!!!
Now schools do seem to be going back towards the idea that some people would make good carpenter, but not a nuclear physicist; equally, a potential physicist would be rubbish with wood.
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Our education is perfectly fine how it is right now.
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i agree austin, school starts at 7:35am and ends at 2:25 but i'm at another place so it ends at 3pm for me, we go 5 days a week for 180 days per school year. And honestly some of the stuff is just so boring. in New York everything we learn is for 1 reason, to take a state test at the end of the year teachers are forced to rush through the material to finish it all in time for the tests in june. I dont get home until about 3:45 or so and if they added 2 hours it would be nearly 6 oclock! you get home, eat dinner do all your homework and go to bed, wheres the fun in that? You can't even have a life, people would be miserable with no fun or time to do hobbies or hang out with friends it would be quite bad i think. Even though schooling is good for life, there is a such thing as too much of a good thing :P Ask any student and they'll be happy to tell you how boring school can be.
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My life:
School, 5 days a week. Coursework set at least once every 2 days.
After school maths tutoring every Monday for an hour, Tuesday, Day Skipper course at the Nautical College for 2 hours, Wednesday, Day for homework/revision, Thursday, Day for homework/Revision, Friday, French after school for an hour. Saturday/Sunday, Various pieces of homework set, usually French and Geography, sometimes history.
I'm always doing something!
And, Back to what me and Stuart were talking about, I certainly think more practical is needed. Only really, this year, can I see all the stuff I have learnt being of any use to me. I know specifically what I want to do as a career, and this year has been the first school year that I can almost grasp my future - I'm lucky enough to know what I want to do in life, but some people don't. BUT, the majority of me knowing what I want to do is down to the Bridge Visit to the Stena Leader (out of school), Boating (Out of school), And the day Skipper course (Out of school).
See a pattern...? - If I hadn't of done what I do out of school, I probably would be clueless as to what I want to do. I probably wouldn't even be here now, Because I might not of discovered my love for the sea! The only reason I ever really got into boating was dad, I've been boating with him since I was around 6ish, and that un-locked my love for ships, and just the general idea of the sea.
More practical at school's is needed....So People can have a taster of what they want to do. At the end of the day, it's no good doing all the theory, then actually getting down to practical, and not liking it - Or simply not being any good at it!. School's should encourage pupils to go on work experience more often, I think. And plus, on top of that, we'd actually be doing something that we really want to do. So, it gives you something to work towards, you're motivated to DO that. Rather than being given a load of Maths, English, and Science books and being told "This will help you in the future".
I'm lucky to be given the opportunities outside of school to encourage me to know what I want to do for my future, and as a result - I know what I want to do...And Nothing will stand in my way.... :evil:
(http://www.thepriceguide.com.au/images60000/65340.jpg)
There we go...my rant for the day! :lol:
Jack.
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Our education is perfectly fine how it is right now.
Do you know where the USA is on the global scale, regarding quality of education?
If you do not know it, then your statement isn't true.
If you do know it, then your statement isn't true.
;D
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Do you know where the USA is on the global scale, regarding quality of education?
If you do not know it, then your statement isn't true.
If you do know it, then your statement isn't true.
;D
lol
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*Joins Ferryman's lol club*
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My life:
School, 5 days a week. Coursework set at least once every 2 days.
After school maths tutoring every Monday for an hour, Tuesday, Day Skipper course at the Nautical College for 2 hours, Wednesday, Day for homework/revision, Thursday, Day for homework/Revision, Friday, French after school for an hour. Saturday/Sunday, Various pieces of homework set, usually French and Geography, sometimes history.
I'm always doing something!
And, Back to what me and Stuart were talking about, I certainly think more practical is needed. Only really, this year, can I see all the stuff I have learnt being of any use to me. I know specifically what I want to do as a career, and this year has been the first school year that I can almost grasp my future - I'm lucky enough to know what I want to do in life, but some people don't. BUT, the majority of me knowing what I want to do is down to the Bridge Visit to the Stena Leader (out of school), Boating (Out of school), And the day Skipper course (Out of school).
See a pattern...? - If I hadn't of done what I do out of school, I probably would be clueless as to what I want to do. I probably wouldn't even be here now, Because I might not of discovered my love for the sea! The only reason I ever really got into boating was dad, I've been boating with him since I was around 6ish, and that un-locked my love for ships, and just the general idea of the sea.
More practical at school's is needed....So People can have a taster of what they want to do. At the end of the day, it's no good doing all the theory, then actually getting down to practical, and not liking it - Or simply not being any good at it!. School's should encourage pupils to go on work experience more often, I think. And plus, on top of that, we'd actually be doing something that we really want to do. So, it gives you something to work towards, you're motivated to DO that. Rather than being given a load of Maths, English, and Science books and being told "This will help you in the future".
I'm lucky to be given the opportunities outside of school to encourage me to know what I want to do for my future, and as a result - I know what I want to do...And Nothing will stand in my way.... :evil:
There we go...my rant for the day! :lol:
Jack.
Completely agree with you Jack.
I know what i'd like to do in life since I was a little kid on a ferry to the isle of man to see my Grandparent's new house..
And because we went every year or so, I got a love for the sea that way and because the isle of man isn't that big, you always got to see the blue sea each and every day.
But I'm equally happy to go on bridge visits on the Ben My Chree and Manannan this summer, speaking to the officers, and how they got to where they are.
That gave me some experience, and allowed me to gain some advice from the officers.
And with that, I can't wait for next summer when I'll be doing work experience with the SP.
Now I know what qualifications I need to get into nautical college, I can now study and work towards it.
Unlike Jack, who lives near the sea and still is in full time education at school, I'm at my local college in yorkshire (nowhere near the sea) who rarely see's the sea. Normally anyone who left school with good grades would be able to get into nautical college as soon as possibile. Unfortunately that wasn't the case for me, and all I can say is to do as good as you possibly can at school, study as much as you can.
Hopefully in 2 years time, I'll see Jack in Fleetwood. :P
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Do you know where the USA is on the global scale, regarding quality of education?
If you do not know it, then your statement isn't true.
If you do know it, then your statement isn't true.
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i know the US isn't exactly high on the scale of education. But theres more too it, having schools open more requires more money which this country does not have, everyone is cutting back, the government is cutting down on the states money, the state is cutting down on the schools money so economically its impossible unless we all have a major tax increase which would just throw everyone into bankruptcy and the country would fold in on itself
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Well it's time for another revolution then.. ;)
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* Remembers Pink Floyd's song "Another Brick in the Wall" * ;D
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ohhhh such a good song! ;D i have all the parts on my ipod :D
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Hey if we are all dumb what's the difference?
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Hopefully in 2 years time, I'll see Jack in Fleetwood. :P
You WILL see me in two years time ;D :evil:
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That is indeed an awesome song. :2thumbs:
I agree that we need more work experience over here, but it shouldn't be one day a week. A single chunk of six weeks, like i did over the summer, would be better as you can see better what it's like to work on a project from start to finish.
But what I want most of all is for my school to offer RYA sailing!
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i currently attend 2 schools in one day, my normal academic school and whats called Ctec where you pick a job field and you learn about it and take classes in that field and get hands on expierience which is a valuable thing i believe. I currently attend a class for computer repair and at the end of the year i'll be able to build a computer with my eyes closed. Theres tons and tons of courses like computer programming, auto repair, beauty school, child care, carpentry and welding to name a few. the school pays $17,000 for each student going and its the best thing ever i think
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Well it's time for another revolution then.. ;)
;D yes please.
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NOOOOOO!!!!
I already have to get up at 5:30am EVERYDAY, I don't want to come home at 5pm EVERYDAY, and then do 2hours of homework EVERYDAY >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Obama just wants this law to have the same amount of school hours as the other school's in Eurasia which ticked almost everyone off in my home of Louisville, Ky.
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Why is being educated so un-fashionable?
Has it ever occured to those against education that your future (and that of society) is based upon your educashunal acheevments?
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Well, thats true, but nobody thnks about that in school, its just a boring waste of time in our opinion ::) :doh:
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I agree complete;y with you Stewart - Kids today don;t realises what they are doing, they haven't realised there fututre depends on the choices they make now
Well, thats true, but nobody thnks about that in school, its just a boring waste of time in our opinion ::) :doh:
But it isn't...
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Well, thats true, but nobody thnks about that in school, its just a boring waste of time in our opinion ::) :doh:
No offence intended... But when you look at your puntuwashun, speling and gramma, iy finks that you need to spend more tiym in skool lerning inglish.
no wot i meen?
EDIT: Anyway, school kids shouldn't be ALLOWED opinions...
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I'm well aware of the fact that what i learn in school now has an effect on my future life. I'm already planning for college, and students should most certainly have an opinion in things. My spelling usually is fine, my grammar is fine when i want it to be. I dont bother that much with it on forums and such, but i usually pay attention and there is also something called a typo dont forget ;)
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I can probably guarantee that school will not be extended, because it costs TOO MUCH MONEY, and the United States isn't exactly full of free money at the moment
in my state, MI, our government has shut down numerous time, because they couldn't balance the budget, and now our 'promise scholarship' that gave us $4000 to attend a Michigan college, was cut and we get 0% of that money, but being the welfare state that we are, heaven forbid they cut funding for poor people, they got federal money for that, the students can get money on their own.
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thats the main problem is money, whats happening for New York is, the US government is cutting the amount of money to the state and the state has to cut the amount of money to schools, so i think the country would go financily broke if we extended school, it just wouldn't work. What annoys me is in NY we learn all year long for 1 reason, to take a state wide test. Thats it, all the learning is to take a dumb test at the end of the year, most stupid system on earth i think personally. Math stuff we'll never use again in our lives, except my class this year business math, checking, bank stuff and so on.
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country would go [financially] broke
It already is silly. :)
(I like your use of bad spelling, makes us look real smart (you need firefox to have a spell checker, hah))
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I think I have proven my point...
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I think I have proven my point...
You don't have a point. Your point doesn't matter anyway because you're not in congress or the senate so, ha.
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You don't have a point. Your point doesn't matter anyway because you're not in congress or the senate so, ha.
Agent A,
Either I don't have a point. Or I have a point which doesn't matter to you... Can you PLEASE make up your mind which?
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So what if I didn't spell something right, doesn't mean we all need more school
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So what if I didn't spell something right, doesn't mean we all need more school
Seriously though, why can't you guys not see the good aspects of it? I would welcome more education with both arms if I could. :-\
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At the end of the day, what it boils down to is the grades you get, and how enthusiastic you are.
Nowerdays, you find many kids want to be superstars, or footballers - if you look at the X Factor, and 'talent' shows like it, you can see hundreds of people queing up thinking that all they have to do is sing, and they become Superstars overnight...
Not many kids have any real idea of what they want to do - and some that do, don't put much/any effort into it.
As I said earlier, more practical is needed!!
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i would not, american schooling has beent this way for a long time so why change it now
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So what if I didn't spell something right, doesn't mean we all need more school
When I was your age, I was told by someone who is my age now that school wasn't as bad as it seemed. I suspect that when you are my age, you will tell someone who is your age, that you were told, when you were their age, by someone who is your age (in the future) that when they are that age they should appreciate what they have and work hard to avoid the shock when they get to the age that you aren't yet. Then one day he/she will get to your age that you will be when you are the age I am now and tell someone who is not yet born that when they are at your age then I will be retired and when they are at the age I am now I shall be very old indeed.
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well that was the most confusing thing i've ever read, but i understand what you mean. I do work hard to get good grades and such i just dont like going to school, it has its ups and downs more downs than ups. :P
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Whilst I have supported many of Obama's decisions, which I find very beneficial for the American public (despite their disagreements with it) I disagree hugely with this one. In Britain I have seen many changes to the school that the government see as improvements but I find revolting, such as changes to the food menus to make kids more healthy but also remove their freedom and right to choice of food, changes of timetable to make kids more attentive during the afternoon lessons but also starve students as lunch is further on in the day (1:10pm for gods sake!) and the fact that students now have to stay on to the age of 18 for mandatory education which completely limits their freedom of education.
The reason I disagree with Obama's decision is that its the children's decision to their choice of life, you cannot force them to do it, the penny needs to drop before they realize they need to work hard to become successful in life. Forcing them to work hard only makes it harder, but giving them motivation and inspiration does help more instead. Exhaustion and de motivation is going to be a huge flaw in Obama's plan for students to improve.
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"The nine most terrifying words in the English dictionary are: I'm from the government, and I'm here to help"-Ronald Reagan
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thats never a good statement unless you its coming from a government body guard or something ::)
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that statement is from a use to be President, Ronald Reagan
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::)
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that statement is from a use to be President, Ronald Reagan
errr, thats quite obvious, look below ::)"The nine most terrifying words in the English dictionary are: I'm from the government, and I'm here to help"-Ronald Reagan
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Now great! >:( Instead of sleeping I have to LOL at that all night long! ;D
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hehe kind of funny i guess but sorry for disturbing your sleep ::)
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"Trust the Government... The Government knows what you should be thinking..."
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that is a scary thought :P
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that is a scary thought :P
If this isn't an off topic point, but drifting off anyway, you want to talk about scary Government?
Why do I refuse point blank to go to the USA? I will tell you why (even if you don't want to know)- I don't like having my finger prints, iris scan, all sorts of biometric data taken (sounds painful) so I won't go there.
Why is this a problem, you may ask... I don't have a problem with America having this data and I think it is wise to look after its borders so well... I just have the fear that America will give the information back to my own Government which I trust as much as a bunch of escaped convicts (ironic given some of them could face criminal charges)...
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Stu,
Only get your finger prints if you are takin in for booking for a crime, or you want to take a kid on a field trip...
Never heard of anyone getting a government iris scan.
Biometric Data?
I think you are confused.
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yea same here i've never heard of that either, finger print scan if you live here for police records, never heard of iris scan though
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Stu,
Only get your finger prints if you are takin in for booking for a crime, or you want to take a kid on a field trip...
Never heard of anyone getting a government iris scan.
Biometric Data?
I think you are confused.
Not true, my Grandma had her fingerprints taken in Miami airport when she was flying there to get on a cruise ship. On the flight home at Miami her fingerprints didn't match the originals so she had to wait 6 hours and was constantly treated like a criminal. Now that's USA border patrol for you, everyone is a suspect.
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Here is the reverse of my "ALIEN" crewmans' landing permit from 1958. As far as I know my photo and my finger prints are still on record in the USA. In order to get this card I had to be fingerprinted and photographed, there were no fancy electronics in those days. :evil: I also attach the picture from the other side of the card. ;D
P.S. I don't really look like that, much worse in fact. ::)
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Americas security allso had a bad influence on the security in here.
I don't live far from the port of Antwerp.
And u used to be able to go to the locks and docks to look at some ships closeby.
But since all those crazy Americans came with their military transports security became ridiculous.
Now there are metres high fences around the locks, a lot of docks are not accesible anymore.
And in the past u could visit a ship if you knew some people who work in the port.
Now that is unpossible to.
But we are getting off topic.
Look at this list, and maybe then you understand why Obama wants to do this.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_the_top_10_best_country_in_terms_of_education
I allso think more education is better.
Last year I allso hated school and asked myself why I had to go to school that much.
But now I am in college, and glad that my education was high enough.
It was worth all the blood sweath and tears. ;D
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Americas security allso had a bad influence on the security in here.
I don't live far from the port of Antwerp.
And u used to be able to go to the locks and docks to look at some ships closeby.
But since all those crazy Americans came with their military transports security became ridiculous.
Now there are metres high fences around the locks, a lot of docks are not accesible anymore.
And in the past u could visit a ship if you knew some people who work in the port.
Now that is unpossible to.
But we are getting off topic.
Look at this list, and maybe then you understand why Obama wants to do this.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_the_top_10_best_country_in_terms_of_education
I allso think more education is better.
Last year I allso hated school and asked myself why I had to go to school that much.
But now I am in college, and glad that my education was high enough.
It was worth all the blood sweath and tears. ;D
Britain has the best education? Wow I didn't honestly know that, from where I come from if you look at most of my generation you would think we're the scum of the world.
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May the good Lord help us if my Country is purported to have the best education system in the world. :o From where I stand it is pretty much not far from the poorest. But I will no go into politics here. :doh:
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If there is a heaven, the British may not be in charge of schooling, nor (God Forbid), the cooking..
Perhaps the car-engineering.. ;D
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Stu,
Only get your finger prints if you are takin in for booking for a crime, or you want to take a kid on a field trip...
Never heard of anyone getting a government iris scan.
Biometric Data?
I think you are confused.
Oh really? Do you actually know what biometric means? Perhaps the case for more schooling? ;D
If there is a heaven, the British may not be in charge of schooling, nor (God Forbid), the cooking..
Perhaps the car-engineering.. ;D
What do you mean if there is a heaven? I am God. And that is where I live :angel:
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What do you mean if there is a heaven? I am God. And that is where I live :angel:
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lol
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:doh:
lol
Laugh at me, you mortal? You will go to school hell for all eternity
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Stu, I still have 3 years left, not including 4 years of college.
I just haven't gotten to that part yet.
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Stu, I still have 3 years left, not including 4 years of college.
I just haven't gotten to that part yet.
Just wait until you have your first full time job... THEN you'll be posting here saying to younger people to enjoy school while they can...
Admittedly, I hated school and wouldn't swap places with you for all the beer in Belgium
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Just wait until you have your first full time job... THEN you'll be posting here saying to younger people to enjoy school while they can...
Admittedly, I hated school and wouldn't swap places with you for all the beer in Belgium
My job doesn't need much schooling, other then on the job training, lol.
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My job doesn't need much schooling, other then on the job training, lol.
Oh yes, I'd agree with that totally. I'm not (and never have) saying that 'school' must mean sitting in a classroom saying "yes sir. no sir. Three damned bags full sir"
Any education, whether it IS classroom based studying to be a nuclear physicist or in a workshop learning to weld, or even in a marine academy learning to sail. All of that is important and if that's the type of education you are after then I say very good luck to you.
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heck i'd rather be out on the job i want to do than stuck in a classroom ::)
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heck i'd rather be out on the job i want to do than stuck in a classroom ::)
Your not helping your argument...
Just because sitting in a classroom isn't appealing to you, and that is all your basing your statements on. You need the fundamentals of classroom teaching if you ever want to get a decent job, the guy with more schooling is always going to be higher on the totem pole then you.
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i'm just saying thats what i'd rather do. I have full intention to get as much schooling as possible to get higher in my job field, that makes the most sense. ::)
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Sorry AA, but I agree with MC on that. I had quite impressive grades when I left school. But it didn't do me much good- what I needed was REAL WORLD experience.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not going back on what I said about education, but that doesn't mean X% in the classroom. Take an apprenticeship for example, that MIGHT have some classroom experience, but mostly it is hands on.
For my part, I would have been better leaving school earlier and getting on job experience (I say experience as you can not get trained for my job, only experienced). My own education was pretty much wasted because of bad advice from teachers- which is why I hate seeing other people make the same mistakes- I could have been FAR better off if I had taken ONLY proper experience.
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Pretty much what I said earlier about More Work Experience!!
It's important, I think...You can learn all the theory you like, but without real experience...You're theory is useless, and Visa Versa.
I've heard many examples of where new Officers and such have gone aboard ships, And they're been absolutely useless...
Jack.
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I think it does depend upon the type of work. Taking extremes of circumstances
Nuclear physicist: It is MUCH better to learn the theory in a classroom/lab than by experimenting with hydrogen bombs.
Carpentry: A classroom is pointless- you need to get practical experience