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English forum => Small talk => Topic started by: firestar12 on March 31, 2009, 21:23:19
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Hey guys, I was listening to the TV while I was working on modeling, and I heard that tomorrow there is going to be a massive virus. I am not sure if this is true or not, but just a warning. Don't download from "second-hand" sites like downloads dot com. Just thought I would tell you guys. :)
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Thx for warn ;)
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I usually don't download form any sites, so I m fine ;D
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NP! Jensen, if I were you, I would put all your important models on a Cd. I am putting all my shipsim projects Like the United States and the Volgo Balt 241 on a CD right now. Any important files.
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Anyone here who uses IE or Firefox better get this add on. It is kinda like McAffee site adviser. http://www.mywot.com
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I got a NOD32 update now :) Soo it will take care of it! ^^
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Hi guys,
I really don't think a mass virus is really going to happen and if it did, it would probably target the most important computers and servers that run the internet, and not domestic computers like your or mine.
I don't know anything about this supposedly dangerous mass virus but as long as you have the right protection, and the software to deal with such things then it shouldn't be a problem.
Just my thoughts :)
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I expect that as usual, the people who stupidly don't have a good antivirus installed will have their PCs bombard the rest of us with useless junk mail, slowing everything down. But that happens every day.
Short of boiling those stipid, selfish people in their own juices, along with their PCs and the malicious thugs that write viruses, there's not much to do about it.
I suspect tomorrow will have echoes of the millenium bug and life will carry on more or less as usual.
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Ahoy Ship(sim)mates,
Anybody had a look at the calendar recently? What day is it tommorow? Ever heard from "Aprils Fool Day"?
Well, Terry already said it. Virusses are spread every day, 24/7 . So if you have a Anti Virus Program with recent updates: Don't worry. If you don't: You're asking to be infected.
Regards
Aad
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The viruses are excpected to activate a feature made by the creators tomorrow. Could be devistating, but no one knows for sure.
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Mabye its April Fool from our guy Firestar ;D
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well it's still 31th here, so wouldn't that be to early?
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No, this was not a joke from me. If it was, it would be a hoax or a threat from the maker.
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This is why I have a Mac!
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This is why I have a Mac!
I hope you realize, Macs are not invincible against viruses.
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I suspect tomorrow will have echoes of the millenium bug and life will carry on more or less as usual.
Give that man a prize... it's been April 1 for 10 hours here, and it's entirely business as usual.
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Of course I know that! Nothing is! Macs are less vulnerable b/c of the smaller user base and it is generally regarded that OS X is harder to hack then Windows. You would have to be totally clueless to believe that macs, or anything with a connection outside the device itself for that matter, are invincible.
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Of course I know that! Nothing is! Macs are less vulnerable b/c of the smaller user base and it is generally regarded that OS X is harder to hack then Windows. You would have to be totally clueless to believe that macs, or anything with a connection outside the device itself for that matter, are invincible.
Other than maybe linux, while it is not invincible, there are very few viruses for linux due to the fact that most hackers use linux and don't want their viruse to come back at them.
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Other than maybe linux, while it is not invincible, there are very few viruses for linux due to the fact that most hackers use linux and don't want their viruse to come back at them.
Most virii for windows are written on windows. The reason linux does not get hit is it is based on permissions for system access (There are virii for linux but most are only in labs). I never run as the administrator in linux NO NEED TO. If i need to do something to a system file then it's the terminal and a terminal editor like nano or pico do the edit and then exit out of the terminal; if I need to install a piece of software then i log in as the admin in the terminal and issue the install command wait then exit when it's finished(with no need to reboot just for a software install). Only reason to reboot is if I upgrade the kernel.
Linux, Windows, Mac, BSD are all different animals. all have their weak points and there strong points. I need windows to play 1 game and that is SS. If it was ported to opengl instead of using questviewer as the 3d engine then SS would be trivial to port to MAC, Linux, BSD and almost any other platform so that people could have a choice.
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no its true and its not something you can download its like most viruses it just happens read here, http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/technology&id=6738099 (http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/technology&id=6738099)
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no its true and its not something you can download its like most viruses it just happens read here, http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/technology&id=6738099 (http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/technology&id=6738099)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conficker
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Linux is not only the closest thing you may get to invincible it is particularly good at warding off the "April fools virus" or the real name for it being the "Conflictor Virus". There is an easy way to make sure that you computer is not going to fall in the morning of April first. Microsoft has a program that can detect the virus and eliminate the malware. All my computers are free after microsoft "malignant software removeal system.
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I found these interesting articles on the Conficker virus..
http://download.cnet.com/8301-2007_4-10208734-12.html
and if you can read the link below, you're probably ok (for now)
http://www.symantec.com/norton/theme.jsp?themeid=conficker_worm&inid=us_ghp_link_conficker_worm
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100% cure for Conflicker (http://blogs.computerworld.com/100_cure_for_conficker&source=toc) ;)
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As a long-term UNIX and Linux user and developer (been working on it since it's creation when it and DOS were both derived from CP/M), let me dispel a myth.
There Linux viruses about. The so-called permissions in Linux aren't worth a can of beans. (744 to you!)
Linux is no more immune than Windows or Mac O/S. The only reason it doesn't suffer so much is that there are far less users, and therefore less motivation for the criminals that produce the viruses. The sheer mass of Windows users is what guarantees viruses, not any inherent weaknesses in the other O/S. That and the fact that so many users believe they are so important that they can't be infected.
Still, it's now April 1st and no mass outbreak noticed so far.... Fuss over nothing? A way for Norton and their ilk to make more sales in these hard times?
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I don't got any Virus probs with my XP pro. it is new since January and i am the only one who uses the XP. and I have the Avast! antivirus program. I also defrag my computer everyday to move files from the wrong place to the right location so I might not have a major virus
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I think we'll be alright, I only download from my normal safe sites anyway, so I think we're going to be ok ;D
I really cannot see the point of making a Virus, and I do think people who do make them should be sentenced for a long time, and made to do hard labour, like they used to.
Jack :evil: :angel:
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I fear there are no safe sites, Jack..Better have a good av-program.. ;)
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I've got Bullgaurd (Its the package), Anti Virus, Firewall etc. So I hope I'll be ok *Crosses fingers* :-X
Jack :)
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1st April (Norwegian time) and I got no viruses so far. :sleepy:
I use the free fire wall and virus software called COMODO Internet Security. It got almost the same features as Norton Firewall and anti virus software. The only difference is that this one is free and works extremely well ;)
BTW I still run Windows XP. Got the latest Windows Updates so hopefully I'm ok the next days ;D
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This virus scare has got me really nervious... :(
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As a long-term UNIX and Linux user and developer (been working on it since it's creation when it and DOS were both derived from CP/M)
Kernel.org (http://www.kernel.org/) Wikipedia linux kernel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel)
What is Linux?
Linux is a clone of the operating system Unix, written from scratch by Linus Torvalds with assistance from a loosely-knit team of hackers across the Net. It aims towards POSIX and Single UNIX Specification compliance.
It has all the features you would expect in a modern fully-fledged Unix, including true multitasking, virtual memory, shared libraries, demand loading, shared copy-on-write executables, proper memory management, and multistack networking including IPv4 and IPv6.
There Linux viruses about.
Of this I have no doubt. Wikipedia linux malware (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_computer_viruses) Excelent article on how virii have to be executed to work in linux from 2004 but still applicable (http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/index.php?page=virus)
The so-called permissions in Linux aren't worth a can of beans. (744 to you!)
Linux Security (http://www.happyassassin.net/2009/01/20/on-linux-security/) Linux permissions help (http://www.zzee.com/solutions/linux-permissions.shtml)
Linux is no more immune than Windows or Mac O/S. The only reason it doesn't suffer so much is that there are far less users, and therefore less motivation for the criminals that produce the viruses. The sheer mass of Windows users is what guarantees viruses, not any inherent weaknesses in the other O/S. That and the fact that so many users believe they are so important that they can't be infected.
There is much more than just one reason.
So if the largest percentage of webservers on the internet are LAMP(Linux Apache,Mysql, PHP) servers, Virus writers have no motivation to hack Linux for the purpose of controlling those servers..
Linux's quality of code is much higher in general than the other OSes because the code is there for all to see and is under constant peer observation. Meaning that slipping a virus into open source software is much more difficult because everyone can see the code.
Microsoft's lackies have reason to be pissed at Microsoft and it's possible that they add ways to make viruses run on the operating system because they are disgruntled about the pittance the company pays them.
Especially if Microsoft subcontract sections of code to Russia or even if the lackie want's to make some quick extra bucks from a Russian contact.
You get the picture.
Being able to execute files without making them executable first by just clicking on them to activate them is an inherent weekness in Windows. Period.
I would really like to meet someone that thinks that they are so important that their computer is "Virus immune." I don't think most people think like that at all. They are just mislead or not lead at all by Microsoft, Their security partners and other third party security software vendors.
People need to be educated properly because Microsoft has a problem that it cannot control.
More or less likely isn't relevant. The fact that there are significantly and I mean a huge amount more viruses made for Windows makes Windows dangerous.
Fact.
It would take a good whole day to educate someone one to one; Using Windows, On how to lower the risk of computer virus infection. On Linux it would take an hour.
Still, it's now April 1st and no mass outbreak noticed so far.... Fuss over nothing? A way for Norton and their ilk to make more sales in these hard times?
I wouldn't say it's nothing. But it does get everyone to focus on there security on their computers I personally use clamAV for my virus protection and it does a wonderful job and does not use the resources that symantec and others do.
Not trying to bust your bubble just set some things straight with facts.
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Which facts? I couldn't see any, only opinions from you and me.
My opinion is that if Linux users existed in the same numbers as Windows users, the criminals would target Unix systems to an equal amount, and penetrate them to the same extent.
You have a different opinion.
Don't get me wrong. I like Unix. I am a command-prompt man. But I do appreciate its vulnerabilities, as much as I appreciate those of Windows. Given the motivation all systems are easily broken.
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My opinion is that if Linux users existed in the same numbers as Windows users, the criminals would target Unix systems to an equal amount, and penetrate them to the same extent.
This same exact principle applies with Macs. It's not worth the time, to a criminal or hacker (or whatever you choose to call them), to create an infection for only 10% of the computer market share, when you can go for the big prize, Windows, which holds 87% market share. Also, it is said (maybe not tested) that Macs are harder to hack into due to their Unix based core.
~Jake
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Exactly so.
In fact, DOS, Unix and MAC O/S all have a common ancestry in CP/M. They just went off in different directions many years ago. They still have a great deal in common.
My personal feeling is that all of the operating systems are just as easy to attack. The user is the weak link. It's known as social engineering. A hacker can deceive you into letting them just as easily with any operating system. That's the real weakness.
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Exactly so.
In fact, DOS, Unix and MAC O/S all have a common ancestry in CP/M. They just went off in different directions many years ago. They still have a great deal in common.
If you will read and understand my links to the first quote you would know that linux/unix/bsd/and newer osx have absolutely nothing in common with cp/m.
I'm calling your bluff on that. Unix was written before cp/m
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix
Unix (officially trademarked as UNIX, sometimes also written as Unix with small caps) is a computer operating system originally developed in 1969 by a group of AT&T employees at Bell Labs, including Ken Thompson, Dennis Ritchie, Douglas McIlroy, and Joe Ossanna. Today's Unix systems are split into various branches, developed over time by AT&T as well as various commercial vendors and non-profit organizations.
http://www.digitalresearch.biz/CPM.HTM
In 1974, Dr. Gary A. Kildall, while working for Intel Corporation, created CP/M as the first operating system for the new microprocessor. By 1977, CP/M had become the most popular operating system (OS) in the fledgling microcomputer (PC) industry. The largest Digital Research licensee of CP/M was a small company which had started life as Traf-0-Data, and is now known as Microsoft. In 1981, Microsoft paid Seattle Software Works for an unauthorized clone of CP/M, and Microsoft licensed this clone to IBM which marketed it as PC-DOS on the first IBM PC in 1981, and Microsoft marketed it to all other PC OEMs as MS-DOS.
My personal feeling is that all of the operating systems are just as easy to attack. The user is the weak link. It's known as social engineering. A hacker can deceive you into letting them just as easily with any operating system. That's the real weakness.
Only if you download from unknown sources. I only install from the Distribution that i use for software in linux and as for microsoft I get the software i need for adobe and other reputable places for the other stuff. I don't go downloading from www.thisissomecoolsoftware.whatever. I do not download pirated stuff period. that is where i feel most of the malware/virii/trojans get distributed from. I always scan the download with the antivirus software before installing. Yes it is the user that creates alot of the problems but you have to admit that a system designed to be run from the administrator account to even use software is really stupid(ie microsoft).
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My personal feeling is that all of the operating systems are just as easy to attack. The user is the weak link. It's known as social engineering. A hacker can deceive you into letting them just as easily with any operating system. That's the real weakness.
True, very true Terry,
This is why Microsoft created the UAC in Windows Vista, to try to stop things from being installed when they weren't supposed to be. Same in OS X, when I install a program, the system asks me to input my password before I can proceed with the installation. These systems are what stop applications that are running in the background, without the user knowing, from installing malicious code on the system. They are an attempt to "Dummy-Proof" systems. These thing aren't perfect though, and hackers eventually find ways around things like these. This is where your Anti-Virus Software comes in, it is an extra defender. I personally don't use Anti-Virus Software on my Mac. I can't seem to find a program that protects me, without using up system resources when I need them.
However, users tend to get sick of the notifications of Anti-Virus Software, and Windows Pinging at them whenever they try to open some simple program. Then, they disable these notifications, not knowing what threats that opens them up to. It is a delicate balance for the creators of security programs and the makers of operating systems, between intrusive, and not enough. My Mac is pretty close to perfect when it comes to this kinda' thing, which is one of the reasons why I purchased it. This is where Microsoft got Vista wrong. I don't know a single person who isn't irritated by the UAC in Vista. It really gets annoying especially when you use Enterprise copies of Vista, and the IT people set Vista to require you to enter your password just to click your mouse (Okay, maybe not that much...).
In short, the firewall is only as good as the person behind it.
~Jake
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I think the security pop-ups were one of the top 5 things terribly wrong with vista. Microsoft themselfs agree that it was a bit too much. I still prefer XP ;D.
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ok im gonna try to clear things up. ok so this worm, the conficker worm, is a virus that is to be activated today or anytime you turn on your pc. It has been said that it has been implanted into 40 million window pc's and is able to be removed. Microsoft has offered security updates. Now this virus is said to be released on april 1st, now take this into concideration it can be a joke or it cant. it could be today to make you think it is a joke. Now the best thing to do is not download anything until told it is ok. Do not plug in any unknown devices for the usb port has been stated as one of teh most common "entry" points of the virus. Now this virus can also just enter through your server so always scan your pc and macs are able to get virus' just its harder.
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For anyone with a reasonable Antivirus system, this was never a direct threat. Norton, PCTools, AVG, Sophos, Macafee all would have spotted it and caught it. I'm sure
I had a client visit us last week, and he brought his memory stick. When he plugged it into a PC on our system, the A/V system shouted about it. I opened up my sector editor and found the visrus in his boot sector. Took less than 30 seconds to fix that. AVG cleared it out of the infected files on the stick and all returned to normal. He has since scanned all of the PCs in his business and found infections on two. In both cases, the antiviral software was not working.
The problem is people...
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For anyone with a reasonable Antivirus system, this was never a direct threat. Norton, PCTools, AVG, Sophos, Macafee all would have spotted it and caught it. I'm sure
I had a client visit us last week, and he brought his memory stick. When he plugged it into a PC on our system, the A/V system shouted about it. I opened up my sector editor and found the visrus in his boot sector. Took less than 30 seconds to fix that. AVG cleared it out of the infected files on the stick and all returned to normal. He has since scanned all of the PCs in his business and found infections on two. In both cases, the antiviral software was not working.
The problem is people...
Thank goodness :thumbs: I was very concerned about this.
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For more re-assurance about this disaster that never was, look at the BBC site:
Worm attack chaos fails to strike
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7976099.stm
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Just been reading up on this Virus Terry. I have a few questions :-[
*Could the Virus possably gain access to our computers through the servers?/Server Software/Port Forwarding etc?
*What would you recommend I do with regards to security on my computer? My Main security is Bullgaurd.
Thanks Terry! I'm just not taking any chances :lol:
Jack :)
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Quick question myself Terry, I use avast! anti virus, do you think that would detect and hopefully destroy it if it gets on to the computer?
Cheers,
SA
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Easy eye chart for diagnosing if your ok or not.
http://www.confickerworkinggroup.org/infection_test/cfeyechart.html
Located at the bottom of the page.
Conficker (aka Downadup, Kido) is known to block access to over 100 anti-virus and security websites.
If you are blocked from loading the remote images in the first row of the top table above (AV/security sites) but not blocked from loading the remote images in the second row (websites of alternative operating systems) then your Windows PC may be infected by Conficker (or some other malicious software).
If you can see all six images in both rows of the top table, you are either not infected by Conficker, or you may be using a proxy server, in which case you will not be able to use this test to make an accurate determination, since Conficker will be unable to block you from viewing the AV/security sites.
F-Secure and the F-Secure Logo are trademarks of F-Secure Corporation.
SecureWorks and the SecureWorks Logo are registered trademarks of SecureWorks Inc.
Trend Micro and the T-Ball logo are trademarks or registered trademarks of Trend Micro Inc.
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Quick question myself Terry, I use avast! anti virus, do you think that would detect and hopefully destroy it if it gets on to the computer?
Cheers,
SA
Just been reading up on this Virus Terry. I have a few questions :-[
*Could the Virus possably gain access to our computers through the servers?/Server Software/Port Forwarding etc?
*What would you recommend I do with regards to security on my computer? My Main security is Bullgaurd.
Thanks Terry! I'm just not taking any chances :lol:
Jack :)
The best things to do:
(1) Never open emails from people you don't know.
(2) Don't download things from sites you don't know and trust.
(3) Make sure your antivirus is up to date and working.
(4) F-secure have a free scan and cure tool you can run:
http://support.f-secure.com/enu/home/onlineservices/fsec/fsec.shtml
The latest version of the Microsoft Malicious Software Removal Tool will remove Conficker, A, B & C variants if you have them. Run it when Microsoft Update offers it to you.
For Bullguard, it detect it, but make sure you have the most recent version installed.
See this page:
http://www.bullguard.com/support/tech-guides/how-to-protect-yourself-from-conficker-computer-worm.aspx
For Avast, I hunted through their site and couldn't find anything that suggested they were even aware of Conficker. Sorry. That's not to say that it doesn't, though. Their web site isn't very up to date (it has announcements from 2007 showing as recent). Maybe they're better at making A/V software than at maintaining their web site..
http://avast.com/eng/win32-confi.html
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Hi Terry and bsm2003 :)
The chart showed all six images so it seems that I'm not in too deep trouble, better be careful anyway. :)
Terry, hmmm strange, the computer people recommended it for me they said it was very good. It's worked alright so far *Touch wood* so hopefully it will continue to do so. :)
Cheers,
SA
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I've used Avast myself in the past. It may just be that their web site isn't so good as some of the other A/V suppliers.
I do recommend running the F-Secure scanner, though. That set of images is OK, but it's not exactly a detailed scan of your PC. The virus could be there, lying inactive at the moment.
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Perhaps.
Hmm, I'll run a scan with it tomorrow thanks :)
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FOUND IT!
After a lot of searching, I found that I had put a link to the Avast page on one of my own Techie sites. Doh! ???
http://avast.com/eng/win32-confi.html
I'll update my post above as well.
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I wonder if there really was a virus... Could be, could be not.
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I think Minime is a MSN virus. Here is a copy/paste of a convo we just had.
[19:08] Shane-I love Ships: are you eva gonna post a pic of yourself in the how do we look topic
[19:08] Anfinn: idk
[19:08] Shane-I love Ships: aw
[19:08] Shane-I love Ships: i really wanted to do something to you in gimp
[19:08] Anfinn: lol
[19:09] Shane-I love Ships: like seriouslt
[19:10] Shane-I love Ships: im making a model of the aurora
[19:10] Anfinn: cool
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[19:12] Shane-I love Ships: can you stop anfinn?
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[19:12] Anfinn: this is automessaging
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[19:12] Shane-I love Ships: lol
[19:12] Shane-I love Ships: no thanks
[19:12] Shane-I love Ships: im looking for the pop tarts
[19:12] Anfinn: if you recieve this you are in danger of virus
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[19:12] Anfinn: I'll stop now
[19:14] Shane-I love Ships: ok
[19:14] Shane-I love Ships: so
[19:14] Shane-I love Ships: your not a virus are you?
[19:14] Anfinn: error
[19:14] Shane-I love Ships: lol
[19:14] Anfinn: unfamiliar text
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[19:14] Shane-I love Ships: lol
[19:15] Shane-I love Ships: seriously anfinn
[19:15] Shane-I love Ships: i dont joke about that stuff
[19:15] Shane-I love Ships: u there?
[19:16] Anfinn: xjafgæsgs
[19:16] Anfinn: Yeah I'm here
[19:16] Shane-I love Ships: ok
[19:16] Shane-I love Ships: can you stop that now lol?
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error lol funny error
Automessage: I am not an virus
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LOL, Firestar! Good stuff you have there! ;D
Minime, how do you posting "x" 30 times in less than one minute? Looks cool! :o
What about the
[19:12] Shane-I love Ships: im looking for the pop tarts
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Please re-arrange the following into a well known phrase or saying. Fastest reply wins today's special prize!
Topic don't far too please ! off go
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Please don't go too far off topic!
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LOL, Firestar! Good stuff you have there! ;D
Minime, how do you posting "x" 30 times in less than one minute? Looks cool! :o
Well that's my secret mohahahaha :evil:
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Please don't go too far off topic!
You win tonight's star prize, a free swim in the sea in Portsmouth Harbour. Yay!!!! :evil:
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You win tonight's star prize, a free swim in the sea in Portsmouth Harbour. Yay!!!! :evil:
Yay!!!!! I am so exited, can I bring my rubber duck or does hat require another win?
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Off!!! this is freaking virus. thats make me very scared. i never gonna download a thing more ;D
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That's the worst thing you can do, if you don't download anything more then you won't be able to download SS. ;) :'(
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Unlike Diamant, I am like terrified of downloading things. One time, I got a virus that had a message popping up that kept saying "You dead on three months". I got it either from a rigs of rods add on or downloading winrar from a site like downloads.com. Never download from a site other than then program's main site.