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English forum => Small talk => Topic started by: CarlisleII on March 26, 2009, 21:37:31

Title: Wind???
Post by: CarlisleII on March 26, 2009, 21:37:31: Does wind really affect ships?

I had the Red Eagle sitting in the middle of the Solent harbor with the wind all the way maxed out and it was hitting the ship completly broad-side and it didnt move. ???
Title: Re: Wind???
Post by: firestar12 on March 26, 2009, 21:39:40: Quote from: CarlisleII on March 26, 2009, 21:37:31
Does wind really affect ships?

I had the Red Eagle sitting in the middle of the Solent harbor with the wind all the way maxed out and it was hitting the ship completly broad-side and it didnt move. ???
It has no affect on the ships in SS 2008. Only in SS 2008 pro. ;)
Title: Re: Wind???
Post by: JHB on March 26, 2009, 21:57:40: Looking forward to do course correction with drift in the next SS standard version :angel:
Title: Re: Wind affecting ships???
Post by: frammy7 on March 28, 2009, 14:09:09: Quote from: Firestar on March 26, 2009, 21:39:40
It has no affect on the ships in SS 2008. Only in SS 2008 pro. ;)
Are you sure about that? (don't get me wrong, I'm sure you might be!). Just I seem to forever have problems getting big ships to stay in one place close to the docks for long periods of time if there is a strong wind... I always assumed it was the wind affecting them?! Perhaps I'm just a rubbish pilot?! :)
Title: Re: Wind affecting ships???
Post by: firestar12 on March 28, 2009, 14:16:17: Quote from: frammy7 on March 28, 2009, 14:09:09
Are you sure about that? (don't get me wrong, I'm sure you might be!). Just I seem to forever have problems getting big ships to stay in one place close to the docks for long periods of time if there is a strong wind... I always assumed it was the wind affecting them?! Perhaps I'm just a rubbish pilot?! :)
I am sure. It might just be the waves affecting you.
Title: Re: Wind???
Post by: mvsmith on March 28, 2009, 14:23:53: Hi frammy7,
I think it is the shallow water alongside the dock. Often you will see the ship list as she moves away.
Regards,
Marty
Title: Re: Wind???
Post by: TerryRussell on March 28, 2009, 14:53:45: A good indicator for that is the depth under the hull.

Bear in mind that just because there is a metre or two under the hull, it doesn't mean that the rudders, propellors etc aren't stuck in the mud. That makes the vessel list, or even get stuck.
Title: Re: Wind???
Post by: mvsmith on March 28, 2009, 16:25:40: Hi Terry,

There seems to be some confusion or inconsistency in the depths shown on the HUD for bow & stern: In some manuals it is the depth below water surface, not what a bow or stern 'ducer would give.

Regards,
Marty
Title: Re: Wind???
Post by: RMS Canada on March 30, 2009, 16:50:42: Mmmm, interesting that wind doesn't affect non-moving vessels in SS08. I never even thought of that.
Title: Re: Wind???
Post by: RJS87 on March 30, 2009, 18:11:19: Most likely the depths are given from sensors installed on the lowest point of bow, and the same thing for the stern..(i don't know if rudder and propellor's has been taken as lowest point but..)
This is called, UKC --> Under Kiel Clearance.
Title: Re: Wind???
Post by: mvsmith on March 30, 2009, 19:31:00: Quote from: RMS Canada on March 30, 2009, 16:50:42
Mmmm, interesting that wind doesn't affect non-moving vessels in SS08. I never even thought of that.

What exactly do you mean by â€œnon-moving vesselsâ€? If you mean those ships that are part of the environmentâ€”like treesâ€”wind wouldnâ€™t. Static ships, however, are moving ships that canâ€™t be driven like player ships. They have dynamics that allow them to be towed. Wind would be expected to affect them as well as player ships, if that feature gets implemented in SS 2010.
Title: Re: Wind???
Post by: RMS Canada on March 31, 2009, 16:56:17: Quote from: mvsmith on March 30, 2009, 19:31:00
What exactly do you mean by â€œnon-moving vesselsâ€? If you mean those ships that are part of the environmentâ€”like treesâ€”wind wouldnâ€™t. Static ships, however, are moving ships that canâ€™t be driven like player ships. They have dynamics that allow them to be towed. Wind would be expected to affect them as well as player ships, if that feature gets implemented in SS 2010.

Non-moving vessel(s) are: player vessel(s) (if engines are turned off and not anchored), non-player vessels (stopping for player ship if possible), etc.

Is that better?
Title: Re: Wind???
Post by: mvsmith on March 31, 2009, 17:03:27: Quote from: RMS Canada on March 31, 2009, 16:56:17
Non-moving vessel(s) are: player vessel(s) (if engines are turned off and not anchored), non-player vessels (stopping for player ship if possible), etc.

Is that better?

Wind, in SS 2008, affects them in the same way that it affects those vessels if they are moving.
Title: Re: Wind???
Post by: RMS Canada on March 31, 2009, 17:06:37: Quote from: mvsmith on March 31, 2009, 17:03:27
Wind, in SS 2008, affects them in the same way that it affects those vessels if they are moving.

I don't really notice when I'm sailing.
Title: Re: Wind???
Post by: Mad_Fred on March 31, 2009, 17:30:30: That's because the wind does not affect the ship, moving or otherwise. Not in SS08.. :)

Fred
Title: Re: Wind???
Post by: mvsmith on March 31, 2009, 17:50:43: The only effect of wind in 2008 is on the waves. This, in turn, can have a small secondary effect upon the shipâ€”such as causing her to fall off her intended heading.
SS 2010 will have a very different sea model. If it is similar to that in Pro, there will be a direct action upon ships.