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English forum => Vessel Design Group general => Development corner => Active Projects => Topic started by: Captain Spencer on November 28, 2008, 22:58:43
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hi guys,
I have been experimenting lately with 3D modelling and I'm now getting the basics sorted. I have been working on this boat for a while now, based (not acturately) on an american tug which was kindly suggested by Master Captain.
Link here (http://www.americantugs.com/at49.htm).
I intend to get this model completed, and as soon as I have enough detail in the model, I might do some quick renderings.
Hope you like the model everyone, and please positive cristism please, people work hard on these models as I've found out!!
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Its looking good so far, congratulations :)
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Thanks SA, I'm working on it as we speak :)
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thanks, looks great ;)
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Thanks!
By the way if anyone has any ideas on how to improve the model, PLEASE let me know. I'm new at this kind of stuff and need help along the way :)
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Hi CS,
Very good start! Good job. ;D
I'm not the one to give you tips on modeling really, since I only made a few things with Sketchup.. heh.. But I could give you the guidelines that VSTEP has set for possible SS addons. Perhaps these guidelines are a good help, this early in the proces. Hope it proves helpful!
Regards,
Fred
here is is;
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looks very good, what program are you modeling in?
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Hi guys,
Thanks for the comments. I've reworked the hull somewhat now, so you will see a slight change in appearence in the next screen (following shortly).
Minime, I'm using Hexagon 2 by Daz 3D. It's a professional program, so I may even be able to contact VSTEP at some advanced step in the build.
At the moment, I'm just learning at I'm going and hopefully I can get this model to a decent stage. Once I have a few things in place (such as windows and a couple of doors) I'll do some renderings :)
Edit: Sorry didn't give my thanks to Fred for finding the guidelines for me. I'd already searched the guidelines and have read most of that PDF. It makes sense though even with a basic knowledge of 3D design.
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Here's a preview of the new hull. It's been slightely re-shaped, not sure if anyone can tell though ;D
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Hello CaptainSpencer,
Looking at http://www.americantugs.com/at49/profile.htm , it seems that American Tug 49' has a hard chine and a different hull form, with transom and a skeg/keel.
Also, the hull sides seem to be more vertical, and a V bottom almost flat at the stern.
Good luck, :)
Luc
Edit: Have a look at this model, although smaller, but a hull form perhaps closer to the ATug 49'
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Thanks for that information LucAtC, like I said I'm still new to this and now I look at the model you are indeed correct.
Infact, the example you shared with me has made me think perhaps I should start on boats on a similar size /style.
Do you have any tips on the best way to acheive the results on your example? I have trouble getting the hull exactly how I like it :(
Thanks,
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Although there could exist differences in concept for hull design between your CAD program and Delftship, the techniques are enough similar for you to use Delftship 3.20 free version easily. You can download Delftship and one of the many example design files, and use them as a base for your own design.
It will be of course fair to give credit to the author of the design if you use it (e.g. based on Delftship Design 249). You will first need to register yourself to get access to the download sections and the forum.
There is also a manual as helpfile, a tutorial, a forum and enough resources to finally export the design to your 3D program. If you cannot import DXF 3D meshes, you will have to resort to unhandy offsets and textfiles, but it will not be the end of the world, and you will have a nice hullform, with correct hydrostatics and realistic water resistance values, anyway in a correct order of magnitude.
Optimizing the underwater part will not be necessary, but try to look at photographs of similar hulls and to keep your design as close as possible to the model you have chosen, the size being less important than the proportions.
Good luck,
Luc
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Not only do I love the looks of American and Nordic Tugs I think this model is heading in a great direction. Take it from another expert modeler and fellow American Tug lover. ;)
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Thanks for your replies!
I'm no great modeller for sure, but I am trying my best with the semi-pro programs I have. The problem I'm facing is the model complexity. If you look at the screenshot above, you will see they VERY basic net for the hull.
Does anyone have any tips or tricks I can adapt into my model to help me get a better shape?
Many thanks,
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Thanks for your replies!
I'm no great modeller for sure, but I am trying my best with the semi-pro programs I have. The problem I'm facing is the model complexity. If you look at the screenshot above, you will see they VERY basic net for the hull.
Does anyone have any tips or tricks I can adapt into my model to help me get a better shape?
Many thanks,
Personally I think your hull looks great, I think you are a very skilled modeler.
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Thank you ;D
I wouldn't go as far as saying I'm a great modeller, as there are far more people that do a job 100 times better than I. However, I do try my hardest and have developed a new technique for building hulls.
Watch this space! :)
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Thank you ;D
I wouldn't go as far as saying I'm a great modeller, as there are far more people that do a job 100 times better than I. However, I do try my hardest and have developed a new technique for building hulls.
Watch this space! :)
I will!
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Hi guys, started a new hull while I was away, let me know what you think :)
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Just a quick rendering with bump mapping :)
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Really nice! ;D
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Thanks J3nsen!! I'm hoping to start on the deck soon, although having being so close to the big day, I've not got much time to sit around having a play :-\
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looks good ;)
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Ya, looking great Adam :)
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Just thought I'd update you all. Just been working on this tonight. The windows took quite a while to do though ;D
Any suggestions?
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looks like the police boat :D
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looks like the police boat :D
Indeed it does Jonah, and I have almost copied the superstructer because I have something to work on and learn at the same time. I intend to create a vessel from my imagination, or one that doesn't yet exist in the simulator :)
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Hi guys,
Here's a couple of renderings. First one is a quick one and the second took a long time and is high quality.
Feedback is welcome!
(http://mpssclan.co.uk/3d/boat/images/rendering2.jpg)
(http://mpssclan.co.uk/3d/boat/images/rendering.jpg)
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Some imagination, not looking like a tug boat I've ever seen. Maybe good for scrap metal.
Wow thanks for your very negative input!! :(
If you had read the topic from the start, you will have noticed that I started the hull again. Therefore it may not even try and be a tug which I agree it certainly isn't.
I find your attitude on the forums (not just here but elsewhere) very rude. If you've not got anything nice to say, then don't say it at all!!!
I'd like for you to understand how complex 3D modelling can be, and is very time consuming if you are learning at the same time.
Maybe next time you could actually use your brain before you post negative things! ;)
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I must say that I do not care much for your attitude, Punta.
Calling someone's hard work 'scrap metal' is very rude. And indeed, if you had taken the time to actually read the topic, the rest of your remark was pretty obsolete too.
This is not the way to make new friends in a new community, to be honest. I'd like to suggest a change in attitude, if you wish to become a regular member here...
Regards,
Fred
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Some imagination, not looking like a tug boat I've ever seen. Maybe good for scrap metal.
Show me your "far superior" model, then? ;)
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I suspect that Mr Punta (who actually resides in New Jersey) is not out to make friends.
At 11:54 (UK time) today, he sent me an absolutely obscene and foul-mouthed email, complete with a death wish and other inventive phrases. Not the best I've ever received, but entertaining, nonetheless.
He was too cowardly to identify himself in that email, using a different yahoo address, but my system captures the IP address of the sender and I compared that to Punta's. They are identical.
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I suspect that Mr Punta (who actually resides in New Jersey) is not out to make friends.
At 11:54 (UK time) today, he sent me an absolutely obscene and foul-mouthed email, complete with a death wish and other inventive phrases. Not the best I've ever received, but entertaining, nonetheless.
He was too cowardly to identify himself in that email, using a different yahoo address, but my system captures the IP address of the sender and I compared that to Punta's. They are identical.
Dear me, thats awful. Disgusting behaviour, considering he only registered today :-\
What is the world coming to, some people eh?
Jack.
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Now its look more like a patrol boat ;D
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I suspect that Mr Punta (who actually resides in New Jersey) is not out to make friends.
At 11:54 (UK time) today, he sent me an absolutely obscene and foul-mouthed email, complete with a death wish and other inventive phrases. Not the best I've ever received, but entertaining, nonetheless.
He was too cowardly to identify himself in that email, using a different yahoo address, but my system captures the IP address of the sender and I compared that to Punta's. They are identical.
I can see we really have a new friend here (Read this with sarcasm please)
Sounds horrible, you shouldnt have to put up with that, being a volentry moderator and all, not fair :xmasangry:. I think there is only one thing you should do, Me and you both know what that is.
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I suspect that Mr Punta (who actually resides in New Jersey) is not out to make friends.
At 11:54 (UK time) today, he sent me an absolutely obscene and foul-mouthed email, complete with a death wish and other inventive phrases. Not the best I've ever received, but entertaining, nonetheless.
He was too cowardly to identify himself in that email, using a different yahoo address, but my system captures the IP address of the sender and I compared that to Punta's. They are identical.
thats just not right, death wishes, thats just. wow... as RMSGreatBritain said, theres really only 1 thing to do. Anyway, captain spencer the model is looking great ;)
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I suspect that Mr Punta (who actually resides in New Jersey) is not out to make friends.
At 11:54 (UK time) today, he sent me an absolutely obscene and foul-mouthed email, complete with a death wish and other inventive phrases. Not the best I've ever received, but entertaining, nonetheless.
He was too cowardly to identify himself in that email, using a different yahoo address, but my system captures the IP address of the sender and I compared that to Punta's. They are identical.
I'd be quite happy to see a Lengthy, if not permenant ban on this guy :o
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Yeah thats what MC and I meant! ;D ;) ;D
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Very Nice tug. Indeed it looks like a patrlul boat. but it will sure look nice when it is finish.
would be nice if you could say how much finish it is in % :)
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I hope you guys know the boat is a Pleasure Craft, not an actual tug boat. It is just called an American Tug.
http://www.americantugs.com/
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I hope you guys know the boat is a Pleasure Craft, not an actual tug boat. It is just called an American Tug.
http://www.americantugs.com/
Thanks for sharing the link A|A ;)
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hehe, they're my favorite pleasure craft, bet no one knew, oh wait you do ;D (my sig ;))
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Well it started out as a tug but after the hull went a bit wrong I decided to try a new technique which has produced the final result.
This is not an american tug anymore by the way. Just a craft I'm working on for a bit of experience :)
Thanks for the comments too guys, I really do appreciated them. Does anyone have any suggestions though? How could I improve the model?
Thanks,
Adam
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How about some masts on top of the cabin, and some random scattered objects on deck, e.g Hammer, Ladder etc.
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How about some masts on top of the cabin, and some random scattered objects on deck, e.g Hammer, Ladder etc.
Thanks Nathan, your idea have been noted. By the way, what sort of hammer are we talking about? I assume it's not a DIY hammer ;D
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Just a basic workhammer that you'd find on a boat :P
On bigger vessels, they have a whole workshop with all different shapes and sizes of tools.
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How about some masts on top of the cabin, and some random scattered objects on deck, e.g Hammer, Ladder etc.
haha on my last one I had an axe sitting on the engine cover! :D
Fantastic job on the model though, like Nathan said, a few scattered objects gives the model a natural look (I find anyway :))
Fantastic job anyway!
Jack ;D
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Thanks Jack!
Nathan - I'll put a few objects together soon, see what I can come up with. Might try and add some railings too, as that will add a more boat-like look to the vessel :)
Again, thanks for the comments, it keeps me going with this 3D passion of mine ;D
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Hi guys,
Just thought I'd update you with a new rendering. Hope you like the updated model!!
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wow, very nice I love it great job ;)
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Here's another rendering. This one took a few hours to render, but I think it's damn worth it ;D
Second one was a quick rendering - enjoy!
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cool, yeah it was worth it
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I think you said "Tug?" you were thinking of harbour tug yeah? :)
I hope you guys know the boat is a Pleasure Craft, not an actual tug boat. It is just called an American Tug
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He started to make a model of this boat http://powerandmotoryacht.com/boat-tests/american-tug/american-tug-41-MAIN.jpg , but changed his mind while modeling, if I'm correct. This model is American Tug 41
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lol, because it looks like a tug, has that style ;)
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Are there any updates, Captain Spencer?
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Hi guys,
Well the original model was going to be the American Pleasure 'tug'. I can't for the life of me see why the Americans call them tugs, as they're really just pleasure craft. ???
However, the model did not go very well, so I decided to start a fresh, and this time it worked a charm. This is the boat you see in my latest screenshots.
Right now, I'm working on the boat, so you may well see some very nice screenshots very soon. Stay tuned!! :)
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they call them tugs because they look like tugs, www.americantug.com (http://www.americantug.com) www.nordictug.com (http://www.nordictug.com) they're both tugs styled hence the name :D
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Well I've made an update guys. Hopefully you will like it!! The texture of the desk needs to be changed to something which suits, and a few other bits needs texturing properly but the other bits look good.
and yes, I designed everything you see here from scratch. No template models or imports!! ;D
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Looks cool, but why 2 set of controls?
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Sorry if this has already been asked, but what program is this?
EDIT: Gmax correct?
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Looks cool, but why 2 set of controls?
Dual control. Sort of like aeroplanes if you see what I mean. I don't know if this is done on smaller craft such as this boat but I thought it would look good :)
Not using Gmax, just Hexagon for modelling and Carrara for rendering and texturing (with bump maps ect)
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BTW, Nice Work... ;)
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BTW, Nice Work... ;)
Thanks Llamalord :)
Stay tuned for more to come! ;D
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I most centantly will... :lol:
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you might have seen his topic about his graphic card, so I guess he's not able to do much modeling, but that's just a guess.
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Hi guys,
Yes unfortunately I am unable to continue modelling at the moment due to my graphics card. I've not done any further work on this vessel yet but I hope to continue the model as soon as I can.
I'll post when I have any further information. It's very frustrating not being able to do any work :'(
Cheers,
Adam
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I hope so too Damiant, it's frustrating not being able to play SS at the moment!! :(
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The worst of all evils!!! :evil: :lol:
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Exactly. I do plan on doing some more work though, and not just on the boat :)
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Hi guys,
You'll be pleased to know that I have started to continue with my model since I upgraded my computer a little.
Here are the most recentl renderings of the vessel, with new additions :)
Comments, suggestions and wishes are all taken onboard (no pun intended ;D)
(http://www.silverlinewebsolutions.co.uk/projects/3d/boat/Boat.jpg)
(http://www.silverlinewebsolutions.co.uk/projects/3d/boat/Boat.png)
(http://www.silverlinewebsolutions.co.uk/projects/3d/boat/Helm.jpg)
(http://www.silverlinewebsolutions.co.uk/projects/3d/boat/Navlight.jpg)
(http://www.silverlinewebsolutions.co.uk/projects/3d/boat/Searchlight.jpg)
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Very nice! Would be nice to see even more vessels in Ship Simulator. Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't the purpose of this vessel highly similar to the classic yacht from SS06 and 08's add-ons?
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Hi RMS,
Classic Yatch, I think you must be mistaken because the classic yatch was just that... a yatch. This is a workboat, not a cruiser ;)
Also, you didn't say anything about the model or pictures hehe :)
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very nice looking
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Also, you didn't say anything about the model or pictures hehe :)
Very nice!
;D
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Thanks guys.
Anything you think I could add, change?
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how about some more nick nacs in the bridge :captain:
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Hi Rennie, what sort of nick naks? I imagine you don't mean the savoury type :D
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Very Very nice Captain Spencer looking very realistic :2thumbs:
maybe add a tender on the roof
you see many of that sort of boats where i live they all have tenders on the roof.
but... well done ;D
thom
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Hi Thom,
Thanks! :)
By the way, call me dumb, but what is a tender? The only tender I know is the one they use on steam trains ;D
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ah a tender is a small boat
like this one
( by the way they carry them like on the second photo ;D)
thom
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Good idea!
I'll see what I can do. Either a tender on the roof or stern, or perhaps a large box with the tender folded away :)
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how about this earth race
oh and for that boat i said needed nick nacks radars and switches and a cup of coffe and a packet of bbq nicknacks for the captain mmmmmm :P
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Hi Rennie,
What has the earthrace boat got to do with my boat? :)
Yeah I already have a radar, but switches and a cup of coffee is a good idea! ;D
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Very impressive model, :thumbs: Good work indeed. I like the tender idea also. How big is the boat?
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i don't know if you have already changed it or someone mentioned it. but at one of your first pics, i saw the propeller was sticking out below the hull. as far as i remember this never happens on ships exept for speedboats with external engines.
anyway, the project looks great so far!
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Hi Rob,
Thanks! I've only done a little work on it recently, but I'm actually thinking of creating something else, as this vessel is already in existance (P6).
The prop is certainly below the hull, although the aft part of the hull does move up towards the aft bulkhead.
Here's a picture...
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ah yes i see.
the reason why props are never sticking out below the hull is because when you are sailing at shallow waters, you don't sail your prop off when hitting the bottom. ;)
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Yes you do have a point there. Perhaps I ought to lower the hull a little and cover the prop? Would this make the vessel too deep though or perhaps the prop too small?
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you could raise the stern so the prop fits below it. (see attachment)
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That's kinda what I had in mind actually. Perhaps I'll do some work on it tonight :)
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If it would help you at all there is a 2010 American Tug at the marina I work at and its currently out of the water, would you be interested in any pics?
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Hi Matt,
Well if you have the time then feel free. I might not design it though, so bare that in mind :)