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Title: Oasis of the Seas - ugly or beautiful or...? Discuss
Post by: Wave Music on October 28, 2009, 22:16:02
(http://static.novate.ru/files/fusai/oasis-of-the-seas-1.jpg)

(http://z.about.com/d/cruises/1/0/P/I/4/Oasis_03.jpg)


Super ugly?  Super beautiful?  Something in between those two?  

What're your thoughts about that monster cruise ship?
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Post by: matt5674 on October 28, 2009, 22:34:04
She is beautiful.
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Post by: Cat320DL on October 28, 2009, 22:34:36
I like It. :2thumbs:
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Post by: Shipaddict on October 28, 2009, 22:38:59
It could be worse. But it could be better.
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Post by: The Ferry Man on October 28, 2009, 22:41:00
It could be worse. But it could be better.

Same here...

But The proof of the pudding is in the seeing...

Anyone know if she can get into Southampton?
Title: Re: Oasis of the Seas - ugly or beautiful or...? Discuss
Post by: Wave Music on October 28, 2009, 22:55:39
I think the most beautiful among todays big cruise ships/ocean liners is Freedom of the Seas & QM2.  Oasis is like on the border between beautifulness & ugliness, as I think the future cruise ship, bigger than Oasis (if that will be built or even if it'll be the bricky Freedomship), probably will tend more to ugly side.
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Post by: Capt. Matt on October 28, 2009, 23:07:08
I dont know what to think of the stern with the two sides and then the Valley in the middle :P
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Post by: matt5674 on October 28, 2009, 23:27:25
I dont know what to think of the stern with the two sides and then the Valley in the middle :P
Its like a Central Park on the seas :2thumbs:
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Post by: Kapn Jonah on October 28, 2009, 23:50:43
She's beautiful, I love the design!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: Agent|Austin on October 29, 2009, 01:00:29
The first shot was nice, the stern is, well, um...
Title: Re: Oasis of the Seas - ugly or beautiful or...? Discuss
Post by: Wave Music on October 29, 2009, 01:23:50
Oasis of the Seas will be a beauty, comparing to this monstrosity - the Japanese Princess Kaguya, which they're planning to built:


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v188/cityx/Other/PrincessKaguya1small.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v188/cityx/Other/PrincessKaguya2.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v188/cityx/Other/PrincessKaguya5small.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v188/cityx/Other/PrincessKaguya3.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v188/cityx/Other/PrincessKaguya4.jpg)

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_hk_cayNIONo/RiOwcupG83I/AAAAAAAADIY/OdLFyTBQm9M/s1600/PrincessKaguya.jpg)


A "traditional" design of a modern cruise ship, just very stretched...

http://www.oceansilkroad.com/index.htm  

Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Kaguya_(cruise_ship))


*Cough* Length is 505 meters!  *Cough*


Well, as I said, bigger cruise ships will tend more to the ugly side.  :P
Title: Re: Oasis of the Seas - ugly or beautiful or...? Discuss
Post by: Capt. Matt on October 29, 2009, 01:31:18
I would not want to walk to the other end of that thing  :P
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Post by: Kapn Jonah on October 29, 2009, 01:32:28
Looks good, wouldnt want to be the deck hand for the stern mooring lines, all the way from the bridge to the very end  :-\  :doh:

Title: Re: Oasis of the Seas - ugly or beautiful or...? Discuss
Post by: Agent|Austin on October 29, 2009, 01:50:14
That is an awesome ship!

Like the limo of ships.
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Post by: matt5674 on October 29, 2009, 01:51:14
Princess Kaguya is TOO LONG. I wouldn't be part of her crew or be a passenger on the monstrosity of a ship Princess Kaguya. Oasis of the Seas looks much better than Princess Kaguya.


Oasis of the Seas: ;D
Princess Kaguya: :-X
Title: Re: Oasis of the Seas - ugly or beautiful or...? Discuss
Post by: Wave Music on October 29, 2009, 01:55:31
From the last image Princess Kaguya II, which is a bit longer than Oasis, looks not bad though.
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Post by: Nathan|C on October 29, 2009, 08:27:07
Not too keen on the Oasis i'm afraid, I guess we all have different views though  :P  :-\
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Post by: IRI5HJ4CK on October 29, 2009, 09:25:40
LOL...!

That's all I'll say......
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Post by: Sam on October 29, 2009, 11:42:13
Anyone know if she can get into Southampton?

Why should she go to a miserable rainy place if she could cruise the Carribean or some other sunny paradise.  :P ;D
Title: Re: Oasis of the Seas - ugly or beautiful or...? Discuss
Post by: Wave Music on October 29, 2009, 12:03:04
Why should she go to a miserable rainy place if she could cruise the Carribean or some other sunny paradise.  :P ;D

Because Ferryman can't go to Caribbean.  ;D
Title: Re: Oasis of the Seas - ugly or beautiful or...? Discuss
Post by: Robert67 on October 29, 2009, 14:31:48
I dont like ships like a rabbit hutch.  :thumbdown:

Traditionnal Style like QE 2, thats it.

Robert
Title: Re: Oasis of the Seas - ugly or beautiful or...? Discuss
Post by: Thomas_88 on October 29, 2009, 15:12:20
Of course she is beautiful! She's after all built in Finland.. And is a master peace of Finnish engineering and ship building.. :)
Title: Re: Oasis of the Seas - ugly or beautiful or...? Discuss
Post by: The Ferry Man on October 29, 2009, 15:29:49
Because Ferryman can't go to Caribbean.  ;D

Long way away...  ;)

Of course she is beautiful! She's after all built in Finland.. And is a master peace of Finnish engineering and ship building.. :)

Haha, not as beautiful as the new Finnish P&O Newbuilds ;D
Title: Re: Oasis of the Seas - ugly or beautiful or...? Discuss
Post by: JHB on October 29, 2009, 16:25:15
Why not construct floating cities? The world is overpopulated (too many people). Thy don't have to pay attention to the hull, just build that block or a floating skyscraper and use tugs to move the whole d*** thing...
I don't see the difference here. Why build larger and larger ships? Theres no meaning anymore to control them with human brain power because in the future you just have one major super-intelligent computer steering the whole ship...

And it's just about design here. This is design meant to take more people, more cabins and more of what you find in a city (bars, disco clubs...spas, fitness, theater).
Soon you will already see cruise ships that got their own opera, major spaces for sport activities etc. It's already on land and it will be a part of the floating giant cruise ships.

I don't see the art in cruise ships. I see modern architecture, but they don't need to put a major hull on them anymore.  The art is gone. Now it's just a giant block on the top of the hull structure. ::)
Title: Re: Oasis of the Seas - ugly or beautiful or...? Discuss
Post by: Traddles on October 29, 2009, 16:37:08
None of them are ships, they are all monstrosities :doh: :thumbdown:
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Post by: Ballast on October 29, 2009, 16:42:07
Oasis of the Seas will be a beauty, comparing to this monstrosity - the Japanese Princess Kaguya, which they're planning to built:




*Cough* Length is 505 meters!  *Cough*


I wonder about the bending moments and shear forces on a ship with a length like that!
Title: Re: Oasis of the Seas - ugly or beautiful or...? Discuss
Post by: Wave Music on October 29, 2009, 16:56:09
I think more likely they'll use the WAM-V (http://www.wam-v.com/what_is_wamv.htm) technologies, aka the flexible hull.  :doh:
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Post by: Traddles on October 29, 2009, 17:12:38
A rather crude illustration of Ballasts' point, "hogged" to the point of breaking. ::) :doh: Or "sagged". :o I frequently wonder how long it will be before something like this happens in reality. I don't think WAM-V could be applied to a horror of this size.
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Post by: Ballast on October 29, 2009, 17:17:31
Cruel mind Traddles!  ;D
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Post by: Traddles on October 29, 2009, 17:22:10
To paraphrase your signature Ballast:- Big ship-BIG problems.
Title: Re: Oasis of the Seas - ugly or beautiful or...? Discuss
Post by: Ballast on October 29, 2009, 17:27:53
Reminds me of an article about the Maersk E-type which i recently read. The design team had to find a way to protect the main engine and the 80 meter long propellor shaft against the bending moments and shear forces on the ship.

I think that's one of the minor problems that the designers of the Princess Kaguya will face  ;D
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Post by: Kapn Jonah on October 29, 2009, 17:28:52
Maybe they'll ask Maersk  :doh: :doh:
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Post by: Wave Music on October 29, 2009, 18:00:38
I think that's one of the minor problems that the designers of the Princess Kaguya will face  ;D

But she'll more likely have azipods like all moderns cruise ships.

Besides, Knock Nevis was built also in Japan.
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Post by: matt5674 on October 30, 2009, 04:53:27
To paraphrase your signature Ballast:- Big ship-BIG problems.
That illustration of yours will cut the walking time in half :evil: :evil:
Title: Re: Oasis of the Seas - ugly or beautiful or...? Discuss
Post by: Wave Music on October 30, 2009, 11:39:13
(http://media.shipspotting.com/uploads/thumbs/rw/918967_800/Ship+Photo+OASIS+OF+THE+SEAS.JPG)

(http://media.shipspotting.com/uploads/thumbs/rw/918977_800/Ship+Photo+OASIS+OF+THE+SEAS.JPG)

(http://media.shipspotting.com/uploads/thumbs/rw/186390_800/Ship+Photo+RODOLFO+MATA.jpg)

(http://media.shipspotting.com/uploads/thumbs/rw/721554_800/Ship+Photo+Almawashi.JPG)


Likely to be, the only difference is that the latter 2 carry animals.  :doh:
Title: Re: Oasis of the Seas - ugly or beautiful or...? Discuss
Post by: Ballast on October 30, 2009, 12:25:09
But she'll more likely have azipods like all moderns cruise ships.

Besides, Knock Nevis was built also in Japan.

The Knock Nevis has the main engine fitted on the aft ship and not mid ship like the Maersk E-type. This way the bending moments and shear forces have less influences on it.
Title: Re: Oasis of the Seas - ugly or beautiful or...? Discuss
Post by: The Ferry Man on October 30, 2009, 12:31:23
Rumour is that the Oasis is heading for Southampton on 2nd November...

Sadly this is a Monday, and I am at University...

 :thumbdown:
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Post by: IRI5HJ4CK on October 30, 2009, 12:31:39
Quote
Likely to be, the only difference is that the latter 2 carry animals.  :doh:

We're animals as well.... :P
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Post by: The Ferry Man on October 30, 2009, 12:33:24
We're animals as well.... :P

True...

We are primates - homosapiens...

Thus they are techincally ferries!
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Post by: IRI5HJ4CK on October 30, 2009, 12:35:03
Yes "The Ferry Man", it's a Ferry *Looks at WM with one of those "This guy has some issues" look* :lol: :D
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Post by: Wave Music on October 30, 2009, 12:37:38
Sadly this is a Monday, and I am at University...

 :thumbdown:

That's not a big deal!
Of course you can be absent from Uni at that day or go see her some later that day after Uni...  :P   
Besides, I don't think that there'll be a lot of students in the Uni at that day at all.  ;D
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Post by: The Ferry Man on October 30, 2009, 12:38:08
Yes "The Ferry Man", it's a Ferry *Looks at WM with one of those "This guy has some issues" look* :lol: :D

 ;)

Hey it transports 'animals'

We have found people = animals

thus a ferry can be a 'animal' mover

=> Ferry!

 ;D
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Post by: The Ferry Man on October 30, 2009, 12:39:04
That's not a big deal!   Of course you can be absent from Uni at that day or go see her some later that day after Uni...  :P    Besides, I don't think that there'll be a lot of students in the Uni at that day at all.  ;D

Hey I am in University all day, and I couldn;t take the day off, however much I would like to.

Why shouldn;t there be a lot of students in?
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Post by: IRI5HJ4CK on October 30, 2009, 12:40:03
You're girlfriend "Ferry" will still be moored when you get back from Uni, don't worry :doh:
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Post by: The Ferry Man on October 30, 2009, 12:40:28
You're girlfriend "Ferry" will still be moored when you get back from Uni, don't worry :doh:

 ???
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Post by: Wave Music on October 30, 2009, 12:40:38
Hey I am in University all day, and I couldn;t take the day off, however much I would like to.

Why shouldn;t there be a lot of students in?

No comment...    He's definitely different from us "normal" people.  :-X
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Post by: The Ferry Man on October 30, 2009, 12:41:42
No comment, he's definitely different from us "normal" people.  :-X

 ???

I doubt everyone from the university would want to come with me to see her...?
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Post by: IRI5HJ4CK on October 30, 2009, 12:43:15
Weird how this topic has moved from being about Something which is supposed to look like a Cruise Ship to Ferries... :doh: :lol:

 :evil:
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Post by: Wave Music on October 30, 2009, 12:44:19
I meant that you can skip the Uni & go see the Oasis.  :P   
But if in England there's a police that сoerces each student to attend Uni everyday, then I'm sorry.
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Post by: Wave Music on October 30, 2009, 12:48:17
Weird how this topic has moved from being about Something which is supposed to look like a Cruise Ship to Ferries... :doh: :lol:

 :evil:

You know whom to blame!  ;D
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Post by: Traddles on October 30, 2009, 12:50:31
If you work on one of these you will need to take a gas mask with you. ::) Anyone ever been within half a nautical mile of one? The pong is atrocious. One ship like this, according to a British Lord, contributes more to global warming than about six coal fired power stations.
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Post by: IRI5HJ4CK on October 30, 2009, 12:53:47
I was watching a documentry about one of those a few days ago...It was the largest one in the word, for that specific purpose...Let me see if I can find a picture once I remember the name!!

Jack.
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Post by: Wave Music on October 30, 2009, 12:54:59
God bless those who work on those ships!  Sure, they're not normal people...  :doh:
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Post by: IRI5HJ4CK on October 30, 2009, 13:02:13
Yes!

"Becrux"

(http://images.ctvdigital.com/images/pub2upload/2/2008_7_18/becrux04.jpg)

Jack.
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Post by: Wave Music on October 30, 2009, 14:27:58
You're girlfriend "Ferry" will still be moored when you get back from Uni, don't worry :doh:

Make sure she won't get another boyfriend while her current one is at Uni!
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Post by: Minime on October 30, 2009, 14:44:11
What kind of ship are those?
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Post by: IRI5HJ4CK on October 30, 2009, 15:31:57
They carry livestock, cows...etc.
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Post by: The Ferry Man on October 30, 2009, 17:46:06
They carry livestock, cows...etc.

Must get a lot on them...

*Ignores WM
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Post by: Minime on October 30, 2009, 18:00:37
I wonder how they can get crew to those, must be a living nightmare :-\
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Post by: --tractorman-- on October 30, 2009, 18:08:53
Yes!

"Becrux"

(http://images.ctvdigital.com/images/pub2upload/2/2008_7_18/becrux04.jpg)

Jack.

I think i saw a program on 'QUEST' about that vessel.. rather interseting
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Post by: Kapn Jonah on October 30, 2009, 18:15:55
Yes, very interesting, did you see the ruckus it is to load that thing?!  :doh:
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Post by: Wave Music on October 30, 2009, 18:22:27
 ;D


(http://media.shipspotting.com/uploads/thumbs/rw/114588_800/Ship+Photo+FERNANDA+F..jpg)
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Post by: Kapn Jonah on October 30, 2009, 18:27:44
Oh my..... ::)
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Post by: siso7 on October 30, 2009, 19:18:23
going back on topic ;D

I think it's not an ugly ship (Oasis of the Seas), the backend or stern if you would like is a bit overwhelming though, but I quite like it :)
Title: Re: Oasis of the Seas - ugly or beautiful or...? Discuss
Post by: Wave Music on October 30, 2009, 19:42:52
Already not beautiful, not yet ugly...   Just a massive floating box of money.
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Post by: Ballast on October 30, 2009, 19:57:46
Reminds me of something we had here in the Netherlands a few years ago.

A floating prison  :doh:

(http://www.volkskrant.nl/multimedia/archive/00099/Nieuwe_bajesboot_gep_99612a.jpg)
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Post by: siso7 on October 30, 2009, 20:11:58
Dejà vu Alcatraz for escaping prisoners!  :doh:
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Post by: Bottman on November 01, 2009, 16:24:11
Look here:
http://www.maritimedanmark.dk/?Id=6149
Hopefully this is new for you and not posted here or elsewhere in the forum so far...
She shipowner has to spend a lot of money for a hydraulic system to lower the exhaust pipes, otherwise it has been impossible for the ship to leave the Baltics. The ship is higher than the bridge is in the middle! Amazing!
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Post by: Traddles on November 01, 2009, 16:53:34
That is pretty impressive Michael. I am not surprised so many turned out to watch.
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Post by: Bottman on November 01, 2009, 17:10:06
Yeah! And to be honest, here the ship seems to be not very ugly, right?
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Post by: IRI5HJ4CK on November 01, 2009, 17:23:07
That's quite impressive I have to say...I was watching another documentry a few weeks ago about Queen Mary 2, passing under a bridge, and it was quite something....

You wonder what goes through the head of the captain, particuarly on a maiden voyage of a ship..!

Jack.
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Post by: Bottman on November 01, 2009, 17:48:06
Yepp! In fact he passes this bridge with engines going full ahead with just a few feet between his brand new vessel und bottom edge of the bridge. :2thumbs: The giant ship will drop her anchor off Lee in the Solent tomorrow, I guess.
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Post by: Wave Music on November 02, 2009, 20:19:29
From Shipspotting - some of the latest shots of the Oasis:


(http://media.shipspotting.com/uploads/thumbs/rw/1014446_800/Ship+Photo+Oasis+Of+The+Seas.jpg)

(http://media.shipspotting.com/uploads/thumbs/rw/992734_800/Ship+Photo+OASIS+OF+THE+SEAS.jpg)

(http://media.shipspotting.com/uploads/thumbs/rw/1014377_800/Ship+Photo+Oasis+of+the+Seas.jpg)

(http://media.shipspotting.com/uploads/thumbs/rw/1014381_800/Ship+Photo+Oasis+of+the+Seas.jpg)

(http://media.shipspotting.com/uploads/thumbs/rw/1014373_800/Ship+Photo+Oasis+of+the+Seas.jpg)



A perfect angle to show her whole monstrosity:

(http://media.shipspotting.com/uploads/thumbs/rw/1014375_800/Ship+Photo+Oasis+of+the+Seas.jpg)

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Post by: Wave Music on November 02, 2009, 20:22:58
You may vote again if you have changed your mind after the post above.   I already changed - massively ugly!
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Post by: siso7 on November 02, 2009, 21:23:07
I think this ship is nice, the stern is a bit special, but I liked it a bit more after seeing the pics, nice one WM  :thumbs:

I really think that almost every cruiseliner from Royal Caribian is cool! :)
Those big ships are just so fasanatic, had been really cool to get a guided tour in the bridge and all that if you where on a cruise with a nice ship like that :D

BTW, isn't this the biggest cruiseliner in the world now?
I thought I read it somewhere that this one was bigger then Freedom of the Seas ;)
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Post by: Sam on November 03, 2009, 08:15:25
The only thing missing is a ferries wheel and a rollercoaster on the top of the ship. (To make it even more ugly)
I like the basic design, but everything around it is just to much.

Why 3 funnels?
There is just to much on the top of the ship.

And that hump in front of the lifeboats allso doesn't mach the smooth lines wich a ship should have.
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Post by: Bottman on November 03, 2009, 08:23:27
Well, there is no rollercoaster on board, but a hand crafted merry-go-round! :doh:
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Post by: Agent|Austin on November 03, 2009, 08:30:05
It was in the newspaper today, apparently her stacks are retractible? They have to retract them to go under a bridge in Florida, only 1ft of clearance.
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Post by: Bottman on November 03, 2009, 09:32:54
Yes they are! Otherwise the ship couldn't leave the Baltic Sea at all, due to the bridges between Denmarks isles. :doh:
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Post by: Agent|Austin on November 03, 2009, 09:35:49
Why not just make them short anyway? Diesel all over the rear decks?
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Post by: Tomaten on November 03, 2009, 11:34:51
the funnel cost 15 millions to build, and it is telescopic.
it was just a few decimeters below the brige, and they went will full speed.
wonder what would happend if the ship was 1m taller, then the bridge, is no more  :doh:
And btw, it wasn't in florida, it was between denmark and sweden....
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Post by: Bottman on November 03, 2009, 13:18:28
Hmm - Great Belt between Denmark and Sweden??? :doh:
15 millions? Which currency? ;)
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Post by: Tomaten on November 03, 2009, 13:23:40
15 millions SEK
so its like 2 123 142,25 dollars :p
Yes, the Great Belt bridge
Title: Re: Oasis of the Seas - ugly or beautiful or...? Discuss
Post by: Capt. Matt on November 03, 2009, 14:05:08
See there is the same thing going on over here with clearance, they are talking about either raising the Bayonne Bridge (Sister to the smaller sydney harbour bridge) or taking it down (It provides a gateway to Staten Island), as ships cant access Port Newark or Port Elizabeth  which provide goods to a major part of the country, but my father entioned it would make nno sense to raise it as the Verrazano- Narrows Bridge is limiting ships to enter the harbour to begin with, and I believe it is true that the QM2's height was limited so it COULD enter NY harbour...correct me if im wrong...

Does anyone think they will draw the line somewhere?  :-\ I mean really how much bigger can you make a ship  :P

 !:) Sorry say the new smiley, just had to use it  :doh:
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Post by: saltydog on November 03, 2009, 14:39:39
Maybe someday large ships will use this technique to pass under bridges..  !:)
Title: Re: Oasis of the Seas - ugly or beautiful or...? Discuss
Post by: Wave Music on November 03, 2009, 14:50:56
Maybe someday large ships will use this technique to pass under bridges..  !:)

If that will be implemented, I'm sure after some years passengers will get used to it & won't be afraid of sinking.


(http://www.sailfinalstraw.com/Dockwise/disaster2006_mightyserv_6.gif)
Title: Re: Oasis of the Seas - ugly or beautiful or...? Discuss
Post by: Bottman on November 03, 2009, 15:37:36
Yes, the Great Belt bridge
Which is Denmark domestic, right? ;D The bridge between Sweden and Denmark (Oeresund) seems to be even lower or the waterway is too shallow.  :angel:
Title: Re: Oasis of the Seas - ugly or beautiful or...? Discuss
Post by: Traddles on November 03, 2009, 15:45:28
The last time I sailed through the Great Belt there was no bridge and I was en-route to Leningrad. Shows how old I am now. A great bridge and a new name for Leningrad too. How things have changed. ::)
Title: Re: Oasis of the Seas - ugly or beautiful or...? Discuss
Post by: saltydog on November 03, 2009, 16:16:32
Here's a nice video of her going underneath the Storebaelt Bridge at 20 knots, perhaps for the "squat-effect"..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH8-MR24aos
Title: Re: Oasis of the Seas - ugly or beautiful or...? Discuss
Post by: Wave Music on November 03, 2009, 17:01:01
Here's a nice video of her going underneath the Storebaelt Bridge at 20 knots, perhaps for the "squat-effect"..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH8-MR24aos

Thanks, Pete!   Nice video, nice quality.  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Oasis of the Seas - ugly or beautiful or...? Discuss
Post by: CaptainMike1 on November 03, 2009, 18:15:20
Same here...

But The proof of the pudding is in the seeing...

Anyone know if she can get into Southampton?


She was in the Solent yesterday off loading 300 Finnish Shipyard workers who prbably didn't want to cross the Atlantic on her??
Title: Re: Oasis of the Seas - ugly or beautiful or...? Discuss
Post by: Agent|Austin on November 03, 2009, 18:43:15
the funnel cost 15 millions to build, and it is telescopic.
it was just a few decimeters below the brige, and they went will full speed.
wonder what would happend if the ship was 1m taller, then the bridge, is no more  :doh:
And btw, it wasn't in florida, it was between denmark and sweden....

THen our newspaper is a liar, it said Miami, Fl.
Title: Re: Oasis of the Seas - ugly or beautiful or...? Discuss
Post by: Tomaten on November 03, 2009, 18:43:54
well, I got these fact from a newspaper to xD
Title: Re: Oasis of the Seas - ugly or beautiful or...? Discuss
Post by: Ballast on November 03, 2009, 18:44:25
Here's a nice video of her going underneath the Storebaelt Bridge at 20 knots, perhaps for the "squat-effect"..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH8-MR24aos

I don't think the captain would increase the clearance under the bridge by using the squat effect. If something goes wrong and the ship has too stop, they will be screwed like a doodoo  ;)
Title: Re: Oasis of the Seas - ugly or beautiful or...? Discuss
Post by: saltydog on November 03, 2009, 19:38:44
I guess so..It was pretty close though..Missing by 10cm is just as good as missing by 10m, eh..?   ;)
Title: Re: Oasis of the Seas - ugly or beautiful or...? Discuss
Post by: siso7 on November 03, 2009, 19:41:00
THen our newspaper is a liar, it said Miami, Fl.

It was in Denmark, here's even a photo of it on AIS ;)
(http://gfx.dagbladet.no/labrador/882/882930/8829305/jpg/active/503x.jpg)

For all the scandenavian people here's a good article about it :)
http://www.dagbladet.no/2009/11/01/reise/oasis_of_the_seas/rccl/karibia/8829015/

It stands here that the captain had full throttle of the ship so it would go deeper in the water, I'm not shure if that is the squat effect :P

Some quotes from the article :)

Almost zero clearance
Friday 30 October was the 360 meter long cruise colossus towed from the shipyard west of the Finnish city of Turku (Ã…bo). The first hundred yards was the most critical. Utseilingen had to happen at high tide. Then there are exactly 90 inches between the bottom and the ship. Yet it is too shallow to use propellers. Therefore, the claim had to be blowing no faster than 10 knots of wind.

Sunk chimneys
It initially was considered a physical impossibility was conducted in the night. The 72 meter tall ship Seas passed the 65 meter high Storebæltbroen. It was possible thanks to the specially built telescope chimneys that were sunk. This reduced the ship's height of 6.15 meters. In addition, she passed at low tide. The Norwegian Captain Tor Olsen and his colleagues on the command bridge put full speed on the propeller, which caused the ship to drop deeper in the water.
- Everything went as planned. But we were not prepared for the crossing would be such a spectacular experience, "said William S. Wright, who serves as captain of the transfer from the yard.

New ships next year
With no fit night to Sunday 1 November, putting mega ship "Oasis of the Seas", a preliminary standard for how much these ocean giants can be. There was only one and a half feet of clearance between the chimney and the bridge.
Next year, about the same time, the sister ship, "Allure of the Seas" sailing the same fairway.
Title: Re: Oasis of the Seas - ugly or beautiful or...? Discuss
Post by: Ballast on November 03, 2009, 19:53:19
The squat effect happens when a vessels is sailing quickly through shallow or narrow water and creating lowered pressure under the ship. The vessel will 'squat' in the water. Squat is pretty dangerous, the vessel could end up unmanoeuverable. If the vessel reduces speed, it will come back to its normal level.

(http://i37.tinypic.com/14o0eu9.jpg)

You could use the squat effect to reduce the ship's airdraft, but it's really risky.


Don't believe everything the journalists write about maritime business in the newspaper. They have the tendency to give the story a twist (or two).
Title: Re: Oasis of the Seas - ugly or beautiful or...? Discuss
Post by: Ballast on November 03, 2009, 19:59:44

It stands here that the captain had full throttle of the ship so it would go deeper in the water, I'm not shure if that is the squat effect :P

Some quotes from the article :)

 Then there are exactly 90 inches between the bottom and the ship. Yet it is too shallow to use propellers. Therefore, the claim had to be blowing no faster than 10 knots of wind.

 The Norwegian Captain Tor Olsen and his colleagues on the command bridge put full speed on the propeller, which caused the ship to drop deeper in the water.

If it was too shallow to use the propellers, how the heck did they create the squat effect?  ;D
Title: Re: Oasis of the Seas - ugly or beautiful or...? Discuss
Post by: Tomaten on November 03, 2009, 20:02:35
fast moving tug?  !:)  :doh: :doh:
Title: Re: Oasis of the Seas - ugly or beautiful or...? Discuss
Post by: IRI5HJ4CK on November 03, 2009, 20:02:42
If it was too shallow to use the propellers, how the heck did they create the squat effect?  ;D

That's what I was thinking...! :lol:

Squat is a big problem in Ports like Fleetwood...There's not much Depth on a low tide when the Leader comes in..And the beach is so, so close, it's deadly...Trainee's do anything not to come to Fleetwood.

Jack
p.s. Like the new Smiley: !:) :lol:
Title: Re: Oasis of the Seas - ugly or beautiful or...? Discuss
Post by: saltydog on November 03, 2009, 20:20:56
According to this report, three elements were important in passing the bridge
-lowering of the funnel
-sailing at low tide
-sailing at high speed for Squat-effect

Sorry, it's in German.. ;)
http://www.ln-online.de/news/schleswig_holstein/2682429

edit: here's a rudimentary translation, thanks to Babelfish.. ;D
 article  (http://66.196.80.202/babelfish/translate_url_content?.intl=us&lp=de_en&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ln-online.de%2Fnews%2Fschleswig_holstein%2F2682429)

Also, Wikipedia has recently added this event in their article on Squat effect..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squat_effect
Title: Re: Oasis of the Seas - ugly or beautiful or...? Discuss
Post by: siso7 on November 03, 2009, 20:25:01
If it was too shallow to use the propellers, how the heck did they create the squat effect?  ;D

Thanks for the explenation of the sqaut-effect Ballast!  :thumbs:
It wasn't shallow under the bridge only the 100m out from the shipyard ;)
Title: Re: Oasis of the Seas - ugly or beautiful or...? Discuss
Post by: Ballast on November 03, 2009, 20:28:15
Thanks for the explenation of the sqaut-effect Ballast!  :thumbs:
It wasn't shallow under the bridge only the 100m out from the shipyard ;)

My mistake. Did read it clearly enough i guess  :) I thought it was shallow under the Storebelt bridge.
Title: Re: Oasis of the Seas - ugly or beautiful or...? Discuss
Post by: siso7 on November 03, 2009, 20:44:25
No worries mate! :)

After reading your post I though that you thought that ;D
Title: Re: Oasis of the Seas - ugly or beautiful or...? Discuss
Post by: Traddles on November 03, 2009, 20:52:02
http://www.maib.gov.uk/cms_resources.cfm?file=/queen_elizabeth_2_pub_1993.pdf
Here is a report on the grounding of QE2 after leaving Marthas Vinyard. Squat was a major factor in this incident.
Section 5.3 on page 14 gives some insight into the squat factor in the accident. Also see section 8.1 which suggests a squat effect of 2.7 feet occured at the speed QE2 was travelling.
Title: Re: Oasis of the Seas - ugly or beautiful or...? Discuss
Post by: Ballast on November 03, 2009, 21:02:58
Thank you Traddles! Sounds interesting. Downloading it now  :)
Title: Re: Oasis of the Seas - ugly or beautiful or...? Discuss
Post by: Bottman on November 03, 2009, 21:51:17
According to this report, three elements were important in passing the bridge
-lowering of the funnel
-sailing at low tide
There isn't realy a tidal influence that close to the Baltic Sea. It depends more on the wind force and direction and it is not comparable to the tides of the North Atlantic or the North Sea for example.