Titanic II

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[Captain Cadet]

Hang on, is it ony doing one voyage!?!?

Yes
Only one open to the public.

[Mad_Fred]

Haha, thanks I guess, fellas. But it's not a burn, it's a reality check..  

Making something sound really exciting, doesn't mean that people without a fascination of a certain subject that is bordering on mental illness, also experience it as such.  

 

[VirtualSkipper]

From The Guardian:

But even if Palmer is indeed obsessed with the cinematic Titanic rather than the historical facts behind it, that does not mean he has not stumbled upon a hit idea. Already more than 40,000 people have applied for Titanic II's maiden voyage, including some offering up to a million dollars for a first class cabin. Just like Cameron, Palmer is finding that with the Titanic and Titanic II it is image that people are after. And in that image there might just be a massive business opportunity.

So BSL isn't asking a million, BSL was OFFERED a million. 

But who am I protecting BSL?! 

[Mad_Fred]

And they better do more than one public trip, and sell a lot more tickets.. because, and I quote wiki;


"In June 2013, it was reported that Clive Palmer may be experiencing financial difficulties, and that his two most prominent businesses were running at a loss. This followed the leaking of a letter where he asked a Chinese business partner for a $200 million AUD payment. His net worth was believed to have fallen by $1.6 billion AUD in 2013"


Oh dear, maybe they won't even get to complete it at all..  

[VirtualSkipper]

And if it would sail only once, it would be more worth it to already let it sink somewhere in the Atlantic. 

[The Ferry King]

And if it would sail only once, it would be more worth it to already let it sink somewhere in the Atlantic. 

Thats where the idea of Titanic III/IV come in as some articles have mentioned.

[Captain Cadet]

Yeah he has already made his money out of it! He could sink it and not lose to much (from advertising), but the ethics of it I think it should not really sink. I flew over costa Concordia (I think) and you could just make out the ship from the sky. Look how badly the island suffered when It sunk

[laganviking]

Oh dear, maybe they won't even get to complete it at all..  

Oh no! That would be terrible! A world without Titanic 2. Can you imagine it!? How will we survive! So many questions, so few answers!

[RMS Gigantic]

Anyways,
I was reading while on Holliday that for the maden voyage tickets are £1MILLION EACH!
And worse of all that's the last voyage she is doing 
To be honest I think it's going to be a floating theme park which will be sad for it. What next a submarine built to see under the "authentic" hull as they spent millions on something that the Chinese are only gonna see!
I don't know but it seems to be a rip off which I think is quite sad to be honest! Worse thing is its going to Dubai. Why not Southampton, her home town?
I starting to disagree with this ship!
It's a sad way to rip off a disaster 

I can tell you right now that whatever source you got that from is wrong: Clive Palmer has been quoted as saying that he has received offers in excess of one million dollars for spots on the maiden voyage, but he stated that actual ticket prices will be nowhere near that. It also says here, on the Blue Star Line website, that Clive Palmer says, “Titanic II will be a regular feature on the transatlantic route between the UK and USA,” though the company has also mentioned desires to take it all over the world on various voyages. For a few examples, they're contemplating bringing the ship on voyages back to China, while Dubai and Halifax have expressed interests in having Titanic II stop by (the latter of which is careful to ensure that such an event is done tastefully, as they possess the world's largest cemetery of Titanic victims).

Thats where the idea of Titanic III/IV come in as some articles have mentioned.

I am pretty sure that what he was saying with that regard is that he hopes that in over 100 years, someone else will make a Titanic III in memory of Titanic and Titanic II, and so on after that.

[RMS Gigantic]

I found this 3D model of the ship's lifeboat design. It matches the design shown in the technical overview video, but only now did I realize that the Titanic II's lifeboats seem shorter compared to their width than, for example, the Davit in Ship Simulator Extremes. I take it this could be to keep it more stable in harsher sea states than a cruise ship will typically travel in?

[Mad_Fred]

Well, It's just a standard issue type PL 9.7, there is no change on account of them maybe going to be used for the new Titanic, and besides that you can't really tell much from only looking at a davit (do you mean the actual davit or the lifeboat itself?) in a game that doesn't even depict everything 100% to scale to begin with.

So no.. these are designed for modern cruiseships and such, with the worst possible conditions in mind, so they're already designed for the worst seas imaginable, because.. well.. it's very harsh seas that claim the most ships, isn't it?  that's when they're needed.  

Plus, given the recent massive financial problems and the things that many of the top officials in the maritime world and the cruise-industry have said about many of Palmer's recent outlandish quotes and decisions, the chance of this ship actually ever being launched and if so made succesful are not very good at all. Some experts in this industry even called the recent reveiled deckplans 'sketchy'. So I don't think we need to look at the lifeboats just yet. 

[Captain Cadet]

Mind you if the plans are sketchy, those lifeboats may come in use   

[RMS Gigantic]

Well, It's just a standard issue type PL 9.7, there is no change on account of them maybe going to be used for the new Titanic, and besides that you can't really tell much from only looking at a davit (do you mean the actual davit or the lifeboat itself?) in a game that doesn't even depict everything 100% to scale to begin with.

So no.. these are designed for modern cruiseships and such, with the worst possible conditions in mind, so they're already designed for the worst seas imaginable, because.. well.. it's very harsh seas that claim the most ships, isn't it?  that's when they're needed. 

Plus, given the recent massive financial problems and the things that many of the top officials in the maritime world and the cruise-industry have said about many of Palmer's recent outlandish quotes and decisions, the chance of this ship actually ever being launched and if so made succesful are not very good at all. Some experts in this industry even called the recent reveiled deckplans 'sketchy'. So I don't think we need to look at the lifeboats just yet. 

When I said "Davit," I meant the Ship Simulator Extremes boat of that name.

And if the experts were looking at these plans, it should be noted that they are titled as "Preliminary GA for Owner's Comments and Basis for Lightweight and Other Calculations," and are dated July 12, 2012. If you look at the 3D rendering on the ship's website, you can tell that everything right down to the propulsion system and lifeboat arrangement (and number) have changed since then! And a change made even later than that (but not yet publicly shown) involves the stern shape, so the arrangement of the azimuth thrusters might change by even more.

[Mad_Fred]

That's kind of irrelevant though as even preliminary sketches are supposed to be fairly sound in this industry, and there's a lot more to the remarks of said experts than just the sketchy sketches.

Plus they were not referring to those old plans anyway. We aren't talking about just some folks going on the interwebs to google for information on this, these are people that actually have been consulted with regards to this project, and that do this for a living. I'm talking top level specialists in the maritime and cruise-industry and such. They don't go by outdated information and they don't rely on publications of changes to the project, to form their expert opinions. 

So unless you can show me some credentials that prove you're operating on the same level as these experts, I'm afraid I still will have to take their word for it.

[RMS Gigantic]

That's kind of irrelevant though as even preliminary sketches are supposed to be fairly sound in this industry, and there's a lot more to the remarks of said experts than just the sketchy sketches.

Plus they were not referring to those old plans anyway. We aren't talking about just some folks going on the interwebs to google for information on this, these are people that actually have been consulted with regards to this project, and that do this for a living. I'm talking top level specialists in the maritime and cruise-industry and such. They don't go by outdated information and they don't rely on publications of changes to the project, to form their expert opinions. 

So unless you can show me some credentials that prove you're operating on the same level as these experts, I'm afraid I still will have to take their word for it.

Alright, sorry about that. There was some bloke who at some point worked on a ship, with a blog where he was expressing concerns over lifeboat capacity, basing his concerns on public Blue Star Line statements, and I thought you might have been referring to him



We'll just have to see what happens with Lloyd's Register, I suppose, to see if they allow the design into international waters.

[RMS Gigantic]

I want to learn more about contemporary ship design, shipbuilding and approval, though I don't know where I can look for a concise list of steps.

Either way, despite the (by Blue Star Line standards) silence from the parties involved over the past month, it looks like the project isn't dead.

[Mad_Fred]

Palmer knows how to play the game and how to keep a pilot-light lit under things so as not to give the wrong impression. They don't call him an 'eccentric attention-grabber' for nothing. But his financial problems, despite him disputing that, are massive. According to Forbes, which is pretty trustworthy, he's not even a billionaire anymore. So with those problems, and the fact that nothing is actually set in stone yet on a business level with many of the companies involved in the build... I just don't know..  it's not dead, but it's not fully alive and kicking either. Don't forget, it's not the first outlandish idea he's had, and of all his ideas, he has seen at least an equal ammount, if not more, faillure than succes over the years. I'll believe it when they're actually launching her. 

[RMS Gigantic]

Palmer knows how to play the game and how to keep a pilot-light lit under things so as not to give the wrong impression. They don't call him an 'eccentric attention-grabber' for nothing. But his financial problems, despite him disputing that, are massive. According to Forbes, which is pretty trustworthy, he's not even a billionaire anymore. So with those problems, and the fact that nothing is actually set in stone yet on a business level with many of the companies involved in the build... I just don't know..  it's not dead, but it's not fully alive and kicking either. Don't forget, it's not the first outlandish idea he's had, and of all his ideas, he has seen at least an equal ammount, if not more, faillure than succes over the years. I'll believe it when they're actually launching her. 

Point taken, though I doubt that Deltamarin would flesh out a design fully enough for them to make a 30½-foot hydrodynamic model (Out of curiosity, I did some research, and found that this model will be larger than the scale Titanic model used for James Cameron's 1997 film, but smaller than the scale model of the wreck used for Raise the Titanic in 1980) based on sheer goodwill

And Clive Palmer says that he doesn't want his kids to be spoiled off of his inheritance, so he's actively trying to spend as much money as he can so that he doesn't end up giving them several tons of money in his will, so the project has that going for it

[Dannypenguin]

And Clive Palmer says that he doesn't want his kids to be spoiled off of his inheritance, so he's actively trying to spend as much money as he can so that he doesn't end up giving them several tons of money in his will, so the project has that going for it

If thats the case then his kids must hate the project! 

[Captain Cadet]

the project is in the same stages as the Marina here
their is not enough money but their is enough demand here for one so their just waiting for more money to build this. 

[RMS Gigantic]

the project is in the same stages as the Marina here
their is not enough money but their is enough demand here for one so their just waiting for more money to build this. 

If there wasn't enough money, you would think that they would be at least somewhat weary of spending what funds they have, rather than holding these high-class galas all over the world, such as the one they had in Australia in August, or in New York in February

[Mad_Fred]

It's Clive Palmer..   logic does not apply. 

[clanky]

If there wasn't enough money, you would think that they would be at least somewhat weary of spending what funds they have, rather than holding these high-class galas all over the world, such as the one they had in Australia in August, or in New York in February

The high class galas are to give the impression that they have plenty of money so that potential investors / partners won't see the project for the load of old tosh that it is.

[RMS Gigantic]

As a small update for those who care, the sales director of Deltamarin said this on September 13 in response to someone's question in their most recent blog post about Titanic II:

Reply to Alex Deblois' comment on 2013-09-06: Model tests have been successfully carried out this week. Project development progressing as planned. Blue Star Line will publish any further milestones in due time.

So that's another step to the design process complete.

[RMS Gigantic]

I am pretty sure someone around here wanted to see some form of proof that this hull model was actually built, so this PDF includes some pictures: http://deltamarin.com/uploaded/files/BSL_Titanic_II_Media_Release_19092013_Model_tests1.pdf