Ship Simulator
English forum => Ship Simulator 2008 => Topic started by: Douglas123 on January 02, 2008, 05:43:56
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i cant figure out how to rotate the ships in 2008 ship sim in the mission editor i click on them but they dont turn Help please! ??? ??? ???
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Douglas:
When you click on a vessel to select it, you should see a green and a blue arrow for moving the ship.
You should also see a curved double-head arrow. Move the mouse pointer over the curved arrow; it should turn a brighter green. Hold the left mouse button down and drag the curved arrow to rotate the ship.
You will find more information in the tutorial PDF that is in the Tutorials section of FAQ and Announcements:
http://www.shipsim.com/ShipSimForum/index.php/topic,3653.0.html (http://www.shipsim.com/ShipSimForum/index.php/topic,3653.0.html)
Good Luck
Marty
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Hello Douglas123, and welcome to the forums,
When you have placed a ship on the map, click on it.
Now a big icon should apear at the ship's location.
it looks like this:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/DFS_MadFred/icon.jpg)
The arrows will light up when you roll your mouse pointer over them. When they do, you can use them by left-clicking and holding and then moving the mouse.
When you left-click and hold on that curvedd green two-pointed arrow and move your mouse , you can rotate the ships.
Do the same with the green arrow that points forward and you can move the ship front/back
Do the same with the blue arrow that points to the right and you can move the ship left/right
Click and hold on (or in) the white circle and you can just "pick" the vessel up and move it around.
Hope this helps!!
Regards,
Fred
*Edit* Marty beat me to it ;D
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i clicked on the ship no arrows came up
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hi Douglas,
Are you sure that you are into the SS08 mission editor ? OK.
So after choosing an area and selected a ship (From the player list) then choice your ship given a clik onto the ships name/type and then place her into the area (water) then you can see a yellow line (square) around the vessel/boat then click on the vessel with the left bottom of the mouse then a Green and Blue arrows shall appears. ( Mouse the scroll out going to be with the camera away from the ship try be very high and then the arrows will be biggers.
If do you find the arrows and then just follow the msg from Mad_Fred and mvsmith for sure you gonna have a nice help to create some nice missions, then just use your imagination.
Cheers, ;D
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Hey all,
I had a similar problem just after I installed the game. If you have installed the latest original download (v1.1) and then the upgrade to (v1.3) you will not have the arrows! You must install (v1.1) then install the editor and finally install the latest update (v1.3)That's the only way I could get the arrows to show up in he editor!
Regards...
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i can't get the arrows up ether but i dont want 2 install everthing again plz make it sympler also we need more player ships
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Hmm, I don't think VSTEp are going to make that change to the mission editor then let everyone download it again.
There is a LOT of player ships.
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well the player ships need to be more interactive
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In what way :)
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>:(same with me no arrows
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Hello oggie, welcome to the forum,
I take it, you have installed the V1.0 to V1.3 patch?
There is a slight bug in the new editor that comes with the latest patch.
To have the editor working without problems, you will have to have the old editor installed too.
Install the patches and editor in this order to make it work again:
-Patch V1.1
-Mission Editor
-Patch V1.1 - V1.3
Grab what you need here: http://www.shipsim.com/downloads/patches.php
Regards,
Fred
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There is a slight bug in the new editor that comes with the latest patch.
LOL
LOL ;D ;D
Hmmm.... Is the loss of arrows the only problem it causes, Fred? I think I might reinstall mine and see if that helps with my problems.
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Well.. there is another bug or two... ::)
But still, your problems are a bit weird. It's not something that can be consistently seen with other creators. So there's more to it I guess. It's come up before, but more often, the system works.
But now you mention it. A new install of the original mission editor and then patching the game again might work.
IIRC DJM had some problems with the new ME too even though he had the old version installed previously. (I think, I'm sure he'll correct me if I am wrong)
You could try it, if only to eliminate the possibility.
Fred
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IIRC DJM had some problems with the new ME too even though he had the old version installed previously. (I think, I'm sure he'll correct me if I am wrong)
No need for me to correct you my friend, you're correct ;)
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Well.. there is another bug or two... ::)
But still, your problems are a bit weird. It's not something that can be consistently seen with other creators. So there's more to it I guess. It's come up before, but more often, the system works.
But now you mention it. A new install of the original mission editor and then patching the game again might work.
IIRC DJM had some problems with the new ME too even though he had the old version installed previously. (I think, I'm sure he'll correct me if I am wrong)
You could try it, if only to eliminate the possibility.
Fred
Hi Fred.
I did reinstall and I think I did it in sequence, but I might not have innstalled the ME separately. I'll retry.
But, I think my problems may actually be due to two things:
(1) I think there is a bug in the ShipSim version that some of you big cheeses use ;)
(2) I think that there is a bug in the downloader module of SS2008.
Item (1) because it only seems to be you big chiefs who can't run some of the missions I create. I have sent it to users with the standard version and they have no problems. I have then sent the same missions to people with different versions and they have problems. At the moment, I don't know if it is restricted to different language versions or some other variant, but I am homing in slowly.
Item (2) becuase I have compared the version that the CMMs have downloaded against the version I uploaded, and everything after byte 70 is corrupted.
I think this indicates that it isn't my installation at fault (since most people can play them), but I'll reinstall just to strike that possibility off th elist.
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Hi Terry,
Big Cheese.. heheh.. hardly!! ;D
Actually, regarding your first point, I can say that I had the similar version you had when I tested the other mission that had a similar problem. I only recently installed a new one.
Plus, CMM's with the "non-big-chief" version DO have this problem too. so it's not just the newer versions.
As I said, it's totally, well.. mostly, inconsistent.
As to point 2, yes, I think there is. As I have had a few reports allready from people who had weird things happening in one of my missions, that were solved when they downloaded it again. So the upload was ok. But when it's downloaded to the player, it got corrupted too.
This however, does not explain why I get CTD's with your mission (same when I was on 1.3) when I grab the zip that contains the very one that runs on your machine. Logic would dictate it should work for me aswell, if we both run a similar version, right?
Anyway, yeah it would be wise to eliminate the ME version. You probably know the sequence. But just FYI, V1.1 -> Editor -> V1.3
Regards,
Fred
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I have got round this problem by placing the required ship as near to position as possible. Add a suitable tug to the mission and push/pull ship to final position. Play the mission for a while and then save the mission.
Works for me.
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Hi Terry,
Big Cheese.. heheh.. hardly!! ;D
Hi Fred.
I have you marked as the Grand Edam of ShipSim! ;D
Actually, regarding your first point, I can say that I had the similar version you had when I tested the other mission that had a similar problem. I only recently installed a new one.
Plus, CMM's with the "non-big-chief" version DO have this problem too. so it's not just the newer versions.
As I said, it's totally, well.. mostly, inconsistent.
Only a lot! When one of your CMMs went to test one of my hovercraft missions, it CTD. I re-uploaded, and same thing. But when I emailed him the same one that crashed for you, it worked perfectly ::)
Confused?
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Grand Edam.. ;D
Nah.. I'm just a rookie here.. A small piece of Gouda perhaps.. tops..
As for the confusing.. yes! :)
Fred
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No need for me to correct you my friend, you're correct ;)
Hi DJM!
What problems did you have?
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Hi DJM!
What problems did you have?
Hiya Terry :)
The problems were mainly to do with Waypoints, some were being altered whilst saving the mission after editing, some were moved, some were reset to default. Not too bad, just a little frustrating ;)
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Terry,
I have the straightforward version of the game only. Bought from Amazon on CD and simply updated from the Vstep Website. Nothing else, I am such a little cheese I'm almost invisible, probably only a Kraft triangle ;), but using the bog standard version of the game only. As you say, I could play your Emailed version of Holland Hovercraft challenge OK but not the Uploaded version. However I have had no problems at all with anyone elses uploads so how does that get explained? I certainly have no idea, but it is odd that I only have had a problem with your uploaded missions. ??? I should perhaps add that my computer is also a bog standard one, with nothing changed from when it came off the display unit in our local PC World shop. (I got it cheap as it had been used as a display.) Picture below.
Angus.
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The problems were mainly to do with Waypoints, some were being altered whilst saving the mission after editing, some were moved, some were reset to default. Not too bad, just a little frustrating ;)
Good morning to you, oh Great Gouda of ShipSim. ;D
Yes, that one is quite frustrating. No rhyme or reason to it that I can see. Also, the running order of the waypoints sometimes changes between saving a mission and reloading it.
And if you delete ships or waypoints, then all bets are off as to what gets swapped into the place of the one just deleted. Or what else may have been deleted or modified.
I know that the development time is stretched with new product developemnt, but in order to maintain the interest of players, good quality new missions are vital. All of the problems related to Mission Editor are working strongly against this.
I think the TrainSim community show what a fanatical level of following can be achieved if it is possible to create new models, new environments and new missions. (Sorry if my bobble-hat is showing). We really do need that level of fanaticism for ShipSim.
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Terry,
I have the straightforward version of the game only. Bought from Amazon on CD and simply updated from the Vstep Website. Nothing else, I am such a little cheese I'm almost invisible, probably only a Kraft triangle ;), but using the bog standard version of the game only. As you say, I could play your Emailed version of Holland Hovercraft challenge OK but not the Uploaded version. However I have had no problems at all with anyone elses uploads so how does that get explained? I certainly have no idea, but it is odd that I only have had a problem with your uploaded missions. ???
Angus.
Hi Angus!
Good to hear that so many people are working for cheeses. ;D ;D
Actually, I think the problem you had was item (2) - the uploader or downloader bug(s).
No-one, including me could run the uploaded version. When I compared the version that you had downloaded against the one I emaile dto you, everything after byte 70 was corrupted. So that's a failure of the uploader (from me to Vstep) or the downloader (from Vstep to you).
If you downloaded it via a link (as in missions posted in the forums), then it is probably a bug in the uploader. But if you download via the Custom Missions Menu in Ship Sim then its a bug in the downloader.
All info is useful. ;D
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I have this problem. I'm not going to go back to 1.1 though, i don't really want/need editor anyway
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Good morning to you, oh Great Gouda of ShipSim. ;D
LOL, I wish ;D
As for your points about development, I can assure you that all the testers are working closely with the development team to resolve issues in many different areas, including the Mission Editor :)
Any issues that are reported on the forum, are relayed to the team (if they haven't been spotted and reported already) ;)
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As for your points about development, I can assure you that all the testers are working closely with the development team to resolve issues in many different areas, including the Mission Editor :)
Any issues that are reported on the forum, are relayed to the team (if they haven't been spotted and reported already) ;)
Just have to clone a few more programers... Failing that, you could organise a programmer hunt. You can generally find them hidden in the basements of buildings. They don't come out in daylight and only leave when it's dark, so that they can feast on the blood of double-glazing salesmen.
Written from the underground desk of the Emperor Gorgonzola. Best eaten with marmite.
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Terry,
I should perhaps add that my computer is also a bog standard one, with nothing changed from when it came off the display unit in our local PC World shop. (I got it cheap as it had been used as a display.) Picture below.
Angus.
Hi Angus.
The PC I'm using is almost identical to yours (mine is the 2019UK). I very much doubt it's PC related.
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LOL, I wish ;D
Carl, I love the new image!
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Good to hear that so many people are working for cheeses. ;D ;D
;) *Cough* Avatar *Cough* ;D
Carl, I love the new image!
I thought you might ;D
Edit: This Avatar is only a temporary measure, until tomorrow......just having a laugh ;D
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But now you mention it. A new install of the original mission editor and then patching the game again might work.
IIRC DJM had some problems with the new ME too even though he had the old version installed previously. (I think, I'm sure he'll correct me if I am wrong)
You could try it, if only to eliminate the possibility.
Fred
Hi Fred.
All re-installed. I started with the original download
Installed V1.1
Installed Mission Editor
Installed V1.3
Installed Add-on Ship pack
I think I will also re-install Vista (Yeuk) on this PC and set up a separate environment. They can share the same Custom Missions folder, but have different installations of ShipSim.
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Hi Carl and Fred.
I have now installed Vista on this PC. Dual-boots with XP Pro. And managed to get back to this forum (loud cheering) ;D
I have re-installed ShipSim2008 on XP and clean installed it on Vista.
Sequence:
original
V1.1
Mission Editor
V1.3
Add-on Pack.
So, I will retry some of the missions later.
This also has the added benefit that if a user reports a technical problem which involves Vista, I can now try reproducing it here.
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Hmm......Vista eh Terry.......have fun :P ;)
Joking aside, I hope it all works ok for you now :)
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Well, I have Vista running.
But SS08 just shows as a blue window. Hmm...
I'll figure it out, though.
I can always go into XP (made sure of that!)
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Always a good idea to have a backup plan eh ;)
I haven't had a dual-boot since 98/XP in 2003, Vista needs 3rd-party software to DB right?
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Ok. Fixed it.
My fault, as I have redirected "documents" to the wrong place (that's the Vista replacement for "my documents". ShipSim2008 needs it for the userdata files etc. Without that information, it waits with a blue window.
I haven't had a dual-boot since 98/XP in 2003, Vista needs 3rd-party software to DB right?
No, so long as you install to another folder or drive, it handles it for you, quite well. There isn't a "boot.ini" file any more, but you just change the setttings from "System Properties" dialogue.
I am going to get another machine to sextuple boot, with Windows 95, 98SE, ME, Win2K, XP and Vista. That just leaves NT4 and Home Server to go. But I have those running on other machines here.
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Multi-Boot eh......PASS ;D
I couldn't go back to '95 (or OSR2) ever again, or '98 for that matter ;)
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Actually, I liked 98SE. I had it running very reliably and very fast. It took a lot to swap to Win2k.
But I like consistency. I now have Vista looking pretty much like Win2K.
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working ok now thanks Mad_Fred
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Hi DJM.
Now that I have installed Vista and ShipSim2008, both from scratch:
I have re-done one of the missions that was proving problematical. I have renamed it and modified a few waypoints, added some static ships and then saved with a different name and (fanfare of trumpets) uploaded it for the CMMs. "Tanker Troubles".
Let's see if it works OK from a vanilla installation within a Vanilla installation of Vista. ..... ::)
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Hiya Terry :)
Up to now, everything seems fine, environment ok, no CTD ;)
Not had chance to test it yet, but looking good so far :)
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Yippee!
Fingers crossed. If this works, then I can do it from Vista from now onwards. I would much prefer to doit the QA way.
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About this thing that it isn't possible to rotate the ships in Mission Editor: I am only now "getting my feet wet" with the Editor, and I found that it isn't enough to click on a ship to get the arrows. I had to doubleclick on the yellow square that appeared underneath the ship, only then did the arrows appear.. :)
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Yes, Dawg, that’s a good point that I should mention in the Tutorial. I always work with the view rotated to straight down, so I never noticed. Thanks for bringing it up.
Regards,
Marty
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Douglas:
When you click on a vessel to select it, you should see a green and a blue arrow for moving the ship.
You should also see a curved double-head arrow. Move the mouse pointer over the curved arrow; it should turn a brighter green. Hold the left mouse button down and drag the curved arrow to rotate the ship.
You will find more information in the tutorial PDF that is in the Tutorials section of FAQ and Announcements:
http://www.shipsim.com/ShipSimForum/index.php/topic,3653.0.html (http://www.shipsim.com/ShipSimForum/index.php/topic,3653.0.html)
Good Luck
Marty
Hi Marty,
The above quote has nothing to do with this message, I am using it to get my reply to a PM from you as the forum has moved.
It was bought as a gift to me from Amazon (Invoice date 27NOV2007. I started using it 15Mar2008. I don't remember what version it was originally was but have a note that I updated it to 1.3 on 15MAR2008.
I have just started my Mission Editor and it has no version or build number in the bottom LH corner of the first screen I attach jpg. (My ship sim 2008 does have V1.3 and buuild 101 in that location. Regards BrianG
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Hi Brian,
If the CD was made back in November, it is definitely not 1.3.
I would suggest removing all traces of SS08 except:
1. Save any missions you might want to keep.
2. You should be offered the option to keep your profile.
Install from the CD, which should be 1.0.
Install the 1.1 update.
Install the 1.1 Mission Editor and try it to see if you can move objects.
Install the 1.3 update.
It is important to have the 1.1 ME before you update to 1.3 because the 1.3 ME uses part of the 1.1 ME.
Good Luck,
Marty
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Just thought I'd add some info, hope it's helpful (if not without needing payment!).
I had the same problem as the poster of this topic did, but because my computer couldn't run shipsim very well, I wasn't too bothered. After I installed New Horizons, it worked fine (and especially now with my new GPU as well). I've made a ton of 'scenarios' for towing, and just having loads of different boats etc. So to sum up, New Horizons appears to fix this as well.
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Yes, in NH they changed the Mission Editor so that the section that was only in V1.1 ME was also included in the NH / V1.4 version.
There are a couple of threads about that if anyone is interested. Sorry, I don't remember where they are though.
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Hi Brian,
If the CD was made back in November, it is definitely not 1.3.
I would suggest removing all traces of SS08 except:
1. Save any missions you might want to keep.
2. You should be offered the option to keep your profile.
Install from the CD, which should be 1.0.
Install the 1.1 update.
Install the 1.1 Mission Editor and try it to see if you can move objects.
Install the 1.3 update.
It is important to have the 1.1 ME before you update to 1.3 because the 1.3 ME uses part of the 1.1 ME.
Good Luck,
Marty
I reinstalled SS2008 from my disk and it is V1.0 Build 1000.
The V1.1 and 1.3 updates are over 500mb each. My 500mbs connection estimates they will take 4 or 5 hours each to download so I will try again when things are quieter. Regards BrianG
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Brian,
Don’t forget to also download the Mission Editor; it is not included in the main 1.1 update.
Be thankful that you don’t have to update via 52k dialup, as I do.
Regards,
Marty
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Brian,
Don’t forget to also download the Mission Editor; it is not included in the main 1.1 update.
Be thankful that you don’t have to update via 52k dialup, as I do.
Regards,
Marty
Overnight the downloads the 1.1 update and the 1.3 update were completed. I downloaded 1.1 Mission Editor this morning in a few minutes.
In order to retain goodwill I suggest VSTEP offers a CD Exchange to 56K connection customers when a 500mb download is needed. I am allright Jack.
Having downloaded the 1.3 update I suspect I have downloaded the wrong one! Luckily I had not installed it.There are two 1.3 downloads on the Download 'Patches' page 1.0 to 1.3 and 1.1 to 1.3.
So should the 1.0. to 1.3 download be removed from the page to stop it causing any more problems?
I will now download 1.1 to 1.3. and use that instead of 1.0.to 1.3. Regards BrianG
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Brian,
Don’t forget to also download the Mission Editor; it is not included in the main 1.1 update.
Be thankful that you don’t have to update via 52k dialup, as I do.
Regards,
Marty
Problem solved.
Decided where to save my downloads in case I needed them more than once. New folder on desktop will do but a more permanent folder may be preferred.
Went to SS2008 home page.
Clicked on heading to go to DownLoads
Clicked on option in lefthand column to go to patches.
Downloaded the SS2008 V1.0 to V1.1 update.(Best done overnight)
Downloaded the V1.1 to V1.3 update .(Best done over night maybe both together. Don't download the V1.0 to 1.3 Update by mistake.)
I downloaded Mission Editor V1.1.(This is quick.)
Uninstalled SS2008 taking option to save missions and profile.
ReInstalled SS2008 V1.0 from my CD.
Installed SS2008 V1.0 to V1.1 update.
Installed Mission editor V1.1.
Tested Mission Editor sufficiently to confirm that after placing a ship on the sea it can be rotated. OK.
Installed SS2008 V1.1 to V1.3 update.
Thanks Marty. Regards BrianG
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Hiya BrianG :)
So should the 1.0. to 1.3 download be removed from the page to stop it causing any more problems?
The 1.0 > 1.3 Update is required for some members who have an earlier version of Ship Simulator (prior to 1.1) :)
Regards.
DJM.
Edit: To check which version you are currently running, start the game, then check the lower-left corner of the screen ;)
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Hiya BrianG :)
The 1.0 > 1.3 Update is required for some members who have an earlier version of Ship Simulator (prior to 1.1) :)
Regards.
DJM.
Edit: To check which version you are currently running, start the game, then check the lower-left corner of the screen ;)
Hi DJM,
It was applying the 1.0 to 1.3 update that caused my Mission Editor rotation problem and will presumably cause it to others. If there is a way to use it without causing the problem I suggest it is mentioned on the 'Patch' page. Possibly if I had installed Mission Editor v1.1 first it would not have happened but I don't know. Regards BrianG
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Hiya again BrianG :)
I think I may have misunderstood what was happening here, please accept my apologies for that :-[
Any technical problems like this are always answered on the forum in the Technical Support board. Posting technical data next to updates could cause more problems, and the next update should be available soon, where this problem has been corrected ;)
It can be a little awkward if you have problems like this, but that's why the forum is here :)
Regards.
DJM.
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Hiya again BrianG :)
I think I may have misunderstood what was happening here, please accept my apologies for that :-[
Any technical problems like this are always answered on the forum in the Technical Support board. Posting technical data next to updates could cause more problems, and the next update should be available soon, where this problem has been corrected ;)
It can be a little awkward if you have problems like this, but that's why the forum is here :)
Regards.
DJM.
Thanks DJM,
I appreciate the point about technical support. I thought it was just me not understanding how to rotate a boat at the start and it snowballed. Regards BrianG
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You're welcome BrianG :)
I think we're all on the same page now eh ;)
Regards.
DJM.