Ship Simulator
English forum => Small talk => The Chat Lounge => Topic started by: saltydog on January 11, 2013, 07:26:29
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I was curious how the salvaging of the ship was getting on after a year, and found this interesting article about the planned method..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19962191
Also added is a live webcam-site on the island of Giglio here (http://www.giglionews.it/2010022440919/webcam/isola-del-giglio/webcam-giglio-porto-panoramica.html)
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Ya I been watching it too.
Kyle
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According to Wikipedia they already want to lift it off the bottom by next week.
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They still haven't moved her after a year! I thought it went ages ago
Mind you there a bit of rust on her
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Here is another link for Concordia. Called the Parbuckling Project and shows progress made
http://www.theparbucklingproject.com/ (http://www.theparbucklingproject.com/)
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well, its quite expensive to move such a great ship.
especially when knowing that this is one of the biggest salvaging operations in history.
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Well, They can hardly leave it there.
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At http://heiwaco.tripod.com/news8.htm (http://heiwaco.tripod.com/news8.htm) you can read a big article about the causes of the Costa Concordia tragedy. Heiwaco states that the watertight doors below the bulkhead deck were not closed at the time the ship struck a reef.
Heiwaco also has an alternative view about the capsizing of the MS Estonia back in 1994.
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At http://heiwaco.tripod.com/news8.htm (http://heiwaco.tripod.com/news8.htm) you can read a big article about the causes of the Costa Concordia tragedy. Heiwaco states that the watertight doors below the bulkhead deck were not closed at the time the ship struck a reef.
Heiwaco also has an alternative view about the capsizing of the MS Estonia back in 1994.
It is quite possible that some of the watertight doors were open. Doors have 3 designations, A, B and C.
Class C watertight doors must be closed at sea and can only be opened to pass through.
Class B doors can be open at sea if someone is working in an adjacent compartment
Class A doors can be open at sea unless the ship is navigating in confined waters or in restricted visibility.
If the sail past of Giglio Island was being treated as a normal sea passage rather than a "stand-by" situation then it is quite possible that the A and B class doors in the machinery spaces were open at the time.
It is also possible that someone had nipped into one of the spaces accessed by a class C door for a couple of minutes and had left the door open until they left when the collision occurred.
We won't know the truth until the results of the formal investigation is published, and even then it is possible the true truth won't come out.
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I find it ironic that the NE wind on that fatefull night played a role in both the collision with the rock and the eventual beaching, which enabled many people to abandon ship..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOXuBUvNakM
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I find it ironic that the NE wind on that fatefull night played a role in both the collision with the rock and the eventual beaching, which enabled many people to abandon ship..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOXuBUvNakM
I thinkt that it was the Lord God, Father of His only begotten Son Jesus Christ, who provided the NE wind, so that many people could be saved.
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I thinkt that it was the Lord God, Father of His only begotten Son Jesus Christ, who provided the NE wind, so that many people could be saved.
Ahhhhh... maybe... probably not. It was also probably how the ship turned where it did that beached it.
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and all of this wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for a drunk captain, i cant believe how foolish some people could be to hire a fool to sail a damn over 500Million USD worth carrying that many souls.
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and all of this wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for a drunk captain, i cant believe how foolish some people could be to hire a fool to sail a damn over 500Million USD worth carrying that many souls.
What do you base him being drunk on?
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Shnettino (is that how you spell it?) wan't drunk, he was just dumb.
EDIT: removed the :doh: face
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Shnettino (is that how you spell it?) wan't drunk, he was just dumb. :doh:
not really smart to put a :doh: face there when 30+ people were lost that night...
just saying.
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What do you base him being drunk on?
He wasn't drunk on that night,
But he has a record of being a alcoholic (not the simple sip of the glass but i mean a drunkard). A show off, an entertainer on board the ship..
Companies shouldnt hire captains who have had a alcoholic record (intense) especially when there is 4000 lives at stake.
Source: Concordia, final story- National Geographic
Source: many websites.
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I thinkt that it was the Lord God, Father of His only begotten Son Jesus Christ, who provided the NE wind, so that many people could be saved.
You put your faith in the imagineery friend. The rest will trust in luck.
Where was your "god" for those killed?
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He wasn't drunk on that night,
But he has a record of being a alcoholic (not the simple sip of the glass but i mean a drunkard). A show off, an entertainer on board the ship..
Companies shouldnt hire captains who have had a alcoholic record (intense) especially when there is 4000 lives at stake.
Source: Concordia, final story- National Geographic
Source: many websites.
"facts" on NGTV? P'raps a professional (Traddles, Clanky) can confirm actual rules
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He wasn't drunk on that night,
But he has a record of being a alcoholic (not the simple sip of the glass but i mean a drunkard). A show off, an entertainer on board the ship..
Companies shouldnt hire captains who have had a alcoholic record (intense) especially when there is 4000 lives at stake.
Source: Concordia, final story- National Geographic
Source: many websites.
I think their needs to be more background checks to be honest
Someone who is drunk all the time cannot be a captain but also someone who been alcoholic and has Been caught being realy drunk shouldn't be a captain
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"facts" on NGTV? P'raps a professional (Traddles, Clanky) can confirm actual rules
I don't know Stuart, NatGeo is pretty trustworthy and accurate (not that Traddles and Clanky aren't).
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This weekend I saw a recent documentary by National Geographic called "Concordia, one year on"..
It seemed fairly realistic. Unfortunately, I can't seem to find it on YouTube..
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This weekend I saw a recent documentary by National Geographic called "Concordia, one year on"..
It seemed fairly realistic. Unfortunately, I can't seem to find it on YouTube..
Yes. Didn't tell you anything new. No mention of being drunk either
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it said the captain had was a alcoholic, and would normally not be onboard the bridge but walking around the ship, like an entertainer at shows-not doing his duty.
But then again, we don't need to get into any discussion, because no one knows the real cause if this accident so if we start using our own perception without any evidence it will just make us seem stupid.
The Italian authority are seeing the blackboxes to determine what the real cause was.
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On this Discovery program called Costa Concordia One Year After, they showed actual sound (and footage I believe) that it just was reckless sailing by its captain. Schettino made such a close sail-by before and this time it went wrong because of miscommunication by his (Indonesian?) helmsman. Schettino did order the maneuvers but the helmsman didn't hear the commands that well or responded too late or too slow.
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it said the captain had was a alcoholic, and would normally not be onboard the bridge but walking around the ship, like an entertainer at shows-not doing his duty.
But then again, we don't need to get into any discussion, because no one knows the real cause if this accident so if we start using our own perception without any evidence it will just make us seem stupid.
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Part of the job of the captain of a cruise ship is to be seen on decks and entertaining the passengers, they are not on the bridge lashed to the wheel 24 hours / day.
The media have advertising to sell, advertising needs viewing figures and viewing figures need a good scandal, no-one is going to watch a show which says, actually Schettino was pretty similar to most captains on cruise ships and sometimes avoidable accidents happen.
I am not saying that Schettino did nothing wrong, he very obviously did, but there is a determined media campaign to daemonise him, the reasons for this are numerous, but consider the following.
There are three main places where the blame could lie, the ship (and ultimately the captain), the company, the Italian flag state, have a guess at which 2 are the main sources of information for the media when they are looking for quotes as to how bad a person / captain Schettino was.
The cruise industry as a whole are desperate for Schettino to be shown to be a one off Maverick, rather than a fallible human, just like all other fallible humans in charge of ships, because if he was just a one off then there is no need for any additional and expensive legislation to stop it happening again.
Combine the above with the media's need to have a big scary villain to raise viewing figures and advertising revenue and the chances of getting a balanced, truthful or even remotely reliable documentary are slim.
I haven't seen any of the documentaries on Concordia yet, but if they are on a par with other documentaries that I have watched about shipping disasters then I would take them with a pinch of salt.
I remember reading a New York Times story on the accident which was deliberately misleading to make it sound as if the captain had broken the law by not holding a passenger drill.
It said "It is a requirement of international law that a passenger drill is held with 24 hours of sailing, no such drill was held on Costa Concordia", now anyone reading that without too much care would assume that the law had been broken, but in fact the cargo had not been onboard for 24 hours, a fact which the NYT was well aware of, but chose to present in a way which twisted the facts and gave the narrative that they wanted to.
The same article had a headline "Concordia Crew Were Not Trained"
There source for this piece of investigative journalism, a passenger, who was totally unqualified to make that statement and whose quote was hidden in the middle of the article to try and keep peoples' attention away from were there attention grabbing headline had come from.
I have seen similar deliberately misleading documentaries about other shipping disasters and each one has followed similar lines.
Don't trust anything that you read in the media from any source (the BBC, an institution which I had previously held in very high regard, ran similar nonsense stories about Concordia"
The truth is simple, Concordia was caused not just by one maverick captain, but by a culture of lax legislation driven by the cruise companies on the part of nation states, by a culture of ignoring what legislation is in place by the cruise companies in favour of profit / convenience and by a culture where if ship's staff raise safety concerns which are liable to cost companies money or damage their reputations they find themselves no longer working for the company.