Ship Simulator
English forum => Ship Simulator 2008 => General discussions => Topic started by: wisemenkom on August 29, 2008, 06:49:12
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What's the deal with the shipyard? I thought we'd be getting a new ship and or environment every month or so? Shipyard seems dead to me.
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What's the deal with the shipyard? I thought we'd be getting a new ship and or environment every month or so? Shipyard seems dead to me.
well first they have got to make the ships and things before they can sell them the ships they have in there at the moment where being bult for months and so takes time
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We do get new ships every month. The shipyard was released last month and we're getting a new ship this month. So it isn't "dead" it's working exactly as VSTEP said it would.
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I have to agree that the pace of vessel releases is ludicrously slow compared to, say, developments in the flightsim community. I have been for a couple of years now - and remain - somewhat interested in Ship Simulator, but have yet to put any money down on the product. I've downloaded the demo twice, twice found it interesting but too limited, and twice deleted it after deciding that it was simply not ready to hold my interest for more than a matter of days in its current state.
That's largely because the number of vessels and environments available is vastly too small.
It doesn't help when VStep is putting out press releases saying things like the following:
"Following its successful launch this summer, the Shipyard is frequently expanded with new vessels, environments and features for Ship Simulator 2008."
Not to put too fine a point on it, but describing the Shipyard as "frequently expanded" couldn't be a whole lot further from the truth. The Shipyard was released fully two months ago (the initial press release having been distributed on July 8th) - and yet in reality in those two months there have been precisely two additions that could truthfully be described as "new".
Since the launch (and including the items available at launch), there have been two new vessels released in the Shipyard. There have also been two pre-existing vessels released there, both already available for some time in New Horizons.
Contrary to the wording of the press release, there hasn't been a single environment or "feature" added to the Shipyard so far.
It's easy for me to see that VStep is simply too small an organization to provide a reasonable pace of addons for its products. I wouldn't have the least problem with that fact, were it not for the disingenuous press releases making claims that the company quite simply isn't so far able to back up.
However, as an aside it does also suggest to me that VStep has taken the wrong approach - most likely for financial reasons, albeit misguided. Look at the flight sim community, and you'll find that aircraft models, environments, and new features are coming out from community members all the time - many of them free of charge, and of extremely high quality. Had VStep enabled its users to do the same, we'd likely have dozens if not hundreds of new vessels and environments available or in production.
So why do I think the financial reasons are misguided? Simply put, because I highly doubt I'm alone in being interested in the core product but finding it too limiting. In the interests of making a small amount of money on the sale of ship models to a small community of existing users, VStep is missing out on the opportunity to increase the size of the community as a whole - and to make significantly more money on sales of the simulator itself, with users attracted by a wide array of readily available third-party vessels and environments at little or no cost.
Perhaps VStep should rethink its strategy in the future, and consider making future products with an eye towards community development of the addons. It's beyond question that this is *possible*, and I'm pretty sure it would turn out to be best not only for the users, but for VStep as well.
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That’s a very lengthy critique from someone who is not even a user of the product.
You are among the legions who compare this simulator to FSX, or some similar product without any real understanding of the reasons why this simulator should not be thrown open to third party providers.
You seem to be trolling this forum for posts that you can parrot to support your position.
At the same time you ignore, or are not able to comprehend, those posts that explain the effort involved in making a player vessel.
While the pace at which VSTEP is able to produce ships and environments that meet their very high standards might not satisfy the impatient kiddies—most of whom treat the sim more as a 3D photo album than as a way to experience the operation of ships—there is a large, but generally silent, customer base that appreciates the care and effort that VSTEP puts into the product.
We would not want to see VSTEP relax their standards just to cater to someone’s non-qualified idea of what their business model should be.
Your dissatisfaction with the development of the program suggests that you are perhaps not a prospective customer that VSTEP should court. They would be getting a constant complainer who would never be satisfied, and would soon abandon the program without significantly contributing to either the program or to the bottom line.
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It has only been about 2 months with the shipyard and you are already complaining. There are 4 ships now!
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Are you against freedom of speech, mvsmith? ;D
Why do you become so aggressive?
I can't understand why people who critizise "weak points" in the ShipSimulator idea become attacked in such an unkindly way.
Tell me whatever you want, but currently there IS a problem with the time it takes to add new stuff for the players. And even if "VSTEP is able to produce ships and environments that meet their very high standards", I can't say that currently all released ships meet my very high standards. They vary in quality. A number of ships from VSTEP contain bugs (in the majority of cases graphic bugs, but if these were absolutely unimportant we could sail on a universal shoe box, I suggest), that's a fact and while I know that fixing these bugs costs manpower / money and VSTEP has to set priorities, there is this problem that VSTEP can't fix these bugs prompt.
And by the way: Using nearly the same motor sound for several totally different ships, as VSTEP does, is not the best idea, I think.
It simply currently takes too long to improve the ShipSim, players become bored and stay away. Please bear in mind that there are other maritime products which compete with ShipSim 08 so we should welcome all critic voices which could help to improve the ShipSim concept.
EDIT by Penguin: Expression
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Might I suggest that nobody is against free speech but Marty (mvsmith that is) does have a serious point here. It seems to me that too often if someone disagrees with another person then we end up getting aggressive, which is unnecessary, and I fail to see where the aggression is in Marty's post. He is simply pointing out a few truths. Perhaps Penguin, before you complain so bitterly, it would be wiser to check up on the reasons for what you call delays in adding new stuff. I'm sorry you think the standard of models in the simulator is not up to your expectations, however I would remind you that Vstep, as well as working on this simulator also work on a professional version for professional seafarers to learn their job. Players are perfectly entitled to become bored if they so wish, but I have been playing this simulator since it first appeared and so far I have not become bored, possibly that is because I am a professional seafarer and can appreciate the efforts that have been put into it. Then again, it could well be that I am an old dodderer in the eyes of many, and thus not worthy of having my say. Players are also entitled not to play the simulator if they so wish, but I note that we have over 27,000 members on the forum alone, and that does not cover all who own the simulator, so perhaps not all feel they have been short changed. ::) I have noticed,as have many of us, that there are a number of forum members who spend a large amount of energy posting complaints, when I feel there are perhaps more things which could be admired rather than complained about. I think, especially, of those who seem to spend time counting rivets and such like, yet have few or no mission completions to their credit. If anyone feels that I am being aggressive, please feel free to say so as I have a very thick skin and do not take offence very easily. :-*
Angus.
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You are right, Angus: Formal 27.000 members.
Please feel free to check the "Views" counters, see how many members regularly follow VSTEPs news and announcements and also pls.don't hesitate to look at the other board "Views" counters, if you like to.
Wake up, the active community isn't as big as you think...
If the story of ShipSim shall be continued VSTEP will need the so called "impatient kiddies". Or do you really think a handful patient seafarers can be the sole target group?
Did you never think about the current situation on VSTEPs multiplayer servers? Where are these 27.000 members?
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Did you never think about the current situation on VSTEPs multiplayer servers? Where are these 27.000 members?
Perhaps they don’t care to be rammed. Perhaps, as adults, they have lives apart from Ship Simulator. Perhaps they turn to SS for interesting relaxation after a day in the real world and are content to wait for each new addition while they enjoy what they have.
You may not have grasped the fact that the above complainer, by his own admission and posts, is not a user of SS. Apparently his only experience is with last year’s demo. That hardly equips him to judge the current state of Ship Simulator.
We sometimes get rants from those who are not serious users and are simply looking for an excuse to vent their spleens, occasioned perhaps by frustration or failure in an area not related to Ship Simulator.
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Penguin,
What data do you have about total numbers on all the User-hosted servers and Vstep servers?
Why do you think the number of people on the MP servers backs up your views? I don't follow the logic in that.
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Oh dear, here we are again. The reason I personally do not indulge in multiplayer is that there are so many players of low intellect who think it fun to have collisions. For many players the idea is to keep the vessels afloat and to actually do something even faintly resembling reality.
Angus.
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Yes Terry,
It is a rather ridiculous and arrogant assumption that all users must be regular posters on the forum. A quick glance at the majority of the posts might convince them that it was not a place where they would want to spend their time.
Regards,
Marty
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It has been a while since I had time to stop by and read this thread, and I apologize for the fact that by now my reply is dragging an oldie out of the archives - but there were quite a few points I felt worthy of reply (and frankly, the arrogant and condescending tone of one particular post rather bothered me).
That’s a very lengthy critique from someone who is not even a user of the product.
That might just be because I care whether the product is good enough. I took the time to make a reasoned post because I do see that Ship Simulator shows promise - but that it could be much better.
You are among the legions who compare this simulator to FSX, or some similar product without any real understanding of the reasons why this simulator should not be thrown open to third party providers.
You assume that you're correct that it shouldn't be "thrown open". I happen to disagree. We all have opinions; yours differ from mine.
You're a little off base to suggest that just because mine differs from your own, that I have no "real understanding", though.
You seem to be trolling this forum for posts that you can parrot to support your position. At the same time you ignore, or are not able to comprehend, those posts that explain the effort involved in making a player vessel.
...and you seem to be unable to handle somebody having a differing opinion without resorting to belittling them and ignoring the substance of their comments, for example claiming I was "trolling ... for posts that [I could] parrot" without any evidence to back this assertion up.
Believe me, I very much understand that a LOT of work is involved in the creation of new vessels, especially quality ones. I clearly indicated I was aware of this when I pointed out that the reason VStep was misguided in its approach was because they were "simply too small an organization to provide a reasonable pace of addons". A larger organization might be able to work on new vessels, environments, etc. at a good pace, but because of the sheer volume of work involved, it would take dozens if not hundreds of employees to manage this.
While the pace at which VSTEP is able to produce ships and environments that meet their very high standards might not satisfy the impatient kiddies—most of whom treat the sim more as a 3D photo album than as a way to experience the operation of ships—there is a large, but generally silent, customer base that appreciates the care and effort that VSTEP puts into the product.
Again, with the belittling. I'm not a "kiddie", I'm 35 years old - and while I no longer work in the maritime industry, I worked full-time for many months on (and have many hours of experience at the helm of) a *real* ship - a 139-meter, 11,630-DWT LPG carrier regularly calling at ports in eight countries on both sides of the Atlantic, to be specific.
We would not want to see VSTEP relax their standards just to cater to someone’s non-qualified idea of what their business model should be.
...and you make assumptions both as to my qualification to offer an opinion on their product and business model, and the community's ability to produce models that are not just of equal quality to VStep's models, but quite possibly of significantly higher quality than VStep has the ability to produce in-house.
Your dissatisfaction with the development of the program suggests that you are perhaps not a prospective customer that VSTEP should court. They would be getting a constant complainer who would never be satisfied, and would soon abandon the program without significantly contributing to either the program or to the bottom line.
I would suggest that your inability to believe that VStep could be wrong (and that to believe them to be anything other than perfect disqualifies one even to be a suitable prospective customer) probably suggests *you* are the one whom VStep shouldn't be listening to.
*Every* company has the ability to offer a better product than what it currently offers - no company is absolutely perfect. One very good way to improve is to listen to why prospective customers have failed to become *actual* customers.
A better example might be the freedom that Train Simulator users have to create their own routes, scenery, locomotives, carriages and so on.
Unfortunately, the vast majority of what is produced is just bug-ridden junk that has been plagiarised from the few top-quality creators (ahem!).
No, I think Vstep did the right thing by sealing it off.
Yes, much of what is produced by the community is of sub-par quality - but it is easy to filter out the chaff. Indeed, were VStep to open up, they'd find that the community would rapidly offer mechanisms to do so on the user's behalf, in exactly the same way as the flight sim community has done. There are numerous websites that offer comprehensive reviews of the best community-provided products - whether they are free or not. Some of those websites even have reviews authored by real industry professionals with extensive experience of the real-life counterparts to the virtual products they are reviewing.
There is absolutely *no* question in my mind that while there would be plenty of chaff, the cream of the crop would easily meet - and quite likely exceed - the quality of the models VStep provides. If you believe otherwise (and if you have any knowledge of aviation), I suggest you take a look at the products that PMDG offers for flight simulator as one example of the incredibly quality that can be provided by an active third-party development community:
http://www.precisionmanuals.com/
The level of detail in PMDG's models is far, far in advance of anything offered by VStep for Ship Simulator. Their models are incredibly close to the real world. Look at what's involved just in preparing an aircraft to taxi (and never yet leave the ground) in one of their models:
http://ops.precisionmanuals.com/wiki/PMDG_747-400_Type_Rating_Course_Lesson_1
And that's one of their older models for Flight Sim 2004, not even a current one.
It has only been about 2 months with the shipyard and you are already complaining. There are 4 ships now!
And as I pointed out, of those four ships, two aren't even new models - they're pre-existing models that were already available for sale in New Horizons.
So really, there's only two new ships so far, in two months.
With an active third-party community in place, there could easily have been an order of magnitude more available in the same time period, of equal quality to those created by VStep.
It seems to me that too often if someone disagrees with another person then we end up getting aggressive, which is unnecessary, and I fail to see where the aggression is in Marty's post. He is simply pointing out a few truths.
You might want to re-read his post - or do you consider referring to anybody whose opinion differs as "kiddies" and casting unfounded aspersions on their knowledge and experience to be a normal part of a reasoned and rational, adult discussion?
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And you are still hypercritical of a product which you haven't even got. ??? That is possibly one of the best I have yet to come across. Wow ::)
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And you are still hypercritical of a product which you haven't even got. ??? That is possibly one of the best I have yet to come across. Wow ::)
Well said Traddles.
I find it difficult to understand why someone would have so much to say about something which they obviously have no intention of acquiring!!
Mike
::)
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The above complainer, by his own admission and posts, is not a user of SS. Apparently his only experience is with last year’s demo. That hardly equips him to judge the current state of Ship Simulator.
We sometimes get rants from those who are not serious users and are simply looking for an excuse to vent their spleens, occasioned perhaps by frustration or failure in an area not related to Ship Simulator.
He is simply not worth further effort in responding.
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Back to topic: does anyone have any idea of what kind of a ship will be in Shipyard? ??? ;D
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Of course, the next should be the "Jumbo Javelin"... ;)
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Of course, the next should be the "Jumbo Javelin"... ;)
Is it worth getting excited yet or is it likely to be a long time?
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Well, it depends on your feeling, how long the rest of the month is! ::)
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I don't think anyone is really that "excited", lots of people just downloaded the Jumbo Javelin Simulator and now they know exactly what to expect.
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Yes but when we buy it we can play on line on MP !! On our own!! As there is never anyone around!! Great!!
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Yes but when we buy it we can play on line on MP !! On our own!! As there is never anyone around!! Great!!
- and of course no chance of this being a consequence of some of what gweilo8888 has pointed out.... or..?
MS Magnus
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I have read with great care and patience the full topic of discussion previous to this post, and as an avid user of Flight Simulator since its inception a few years ago, I cannot understand the relevance of comparison between SHIP Simulator which I own and enjoy, and Flight Simulator. You are comparing to entirely different types of simulator, and as for the vast quantity of addons by third party contributors, these are always as good as they should be, some are even of poor quality, and it is a hard job for the simmer to pick out which is the most suitable. A Lot of the free addon material is mainly copycat material and does not live up to expectations, but it is there for the Simmers Choice. As For Ship Simulator I can only assume that the Production of Ships to the Standard Preffered by the Programme Distributor is a time consuming and complicated proceedure, I am Therefore prepared to wait and allow the required time to pass for new material and reap the benefits of there work, and the added enjoyment acheived.
Simaddict
Anthony (Age 75) Pehaps just another old dodderer having his penneth worth.
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Ahoy Anthony,
As the Members of Your British Parliament can shout out so fine:
"HEAR, HEAR"
Regards
Aad (65)
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Well said, that man.
Terry (54)
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My Project SILF—Search for Intelligent Life on the Forum—has returned another positive result! A shame though, that Anthony has only one good year left.
Marty (76)
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My Project SILF—Search for Intelligent Life on the Forum—has returned another positive result! A shame though, that Anthony has only one good year left.
Marty (76)
Why one year?
Mike
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Marty has the gift of second sight. Which is useful as his first one broke down.
He knows what will happen at the end of the next year..... (cue spooky music)
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IF WE start an oldys club 61 december
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Why one year?
Mike
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Then he will be my age.
136? Talk about a credit crisis!
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IF WE start an oldys club 61 december
Can I have honorary membership? I have the body of a 90 year old.
Look, here it is. I keep it in the freezer. (cue VERY spooky music).
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Can I have honorary membership? I have the body of a 90 year old.
Look, here it is. I keep it in the freezer. (cue VERY spooky music).
TERRY you can be the president :D
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T E R R Y F O R P R E S I D E N T !!!!!
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I have pointed out on another thread that MH1 is giving his age in Snoopy years. As for me I'm only a spring chicken at 73. BTW, I have seen what goes into building a ship for this game. Those of the players who are qualified Naval Architects and Physicists might, just might, understand the work involved. Those who are not so qualified should be careful of their criticism.
Angus.
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I have pointed out on another thread that MH1 is giving his age in Snoopy years. As for me I'm only a spring chicken at 73.
Angus.
Angus
Don't be upset because you are no longer the oldest member of this forum!!
I will re-set my age so that you can re-occupy your deserved position!
Mike
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I think we have the youngsters outnumbered :-* :-*
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Howdy, Old Timers!
Hey Mike! When did you move?
At your age, how did you move?
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Howdy, Old Timers!
Hey Mike! When did you move?
At your age, how did you move?
I am at home watching the thermometer fall dreaming of sitting on the beach on Mayreau with a cold beer!! Must have made the flag change!!
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well i hope theres more of me (12)
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here is a enviorment i want in the game,port of bergen,with bergen northsea we should have its port.does anyone agree?
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well i hope theres more of me (12)
You mean youngsters? I'm convinced that there are more young people than just the two of us ;D (14)
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IT make's sense to have bergen yes i would like to see this added
makes another port for trawler missions as well
Eric
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A logical progression from Bergen North Sea but not at the expense of Sydney, NSW
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Hear, Hear.....need Sydney.....Johnny (78-79)....
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I agree Johnny: We need Sydney, along with Swartz Bay and Tsawwassen. Then we would have a start on the world’s greatest ferry system.
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Anyone hear anything about a new environment yet? It's been a couple months now and just 2 "new" ships and no environment.
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we do need more enviorments instead of ship winning over the shipyard
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we do need more enviorments instead of ship winning over the shipyard
It takes months, even years for an Enviroment to be created. I Wouldn't expect to see an enviroment until sometime next year, unless VSTEP have been working on it since early this year ;)
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Nathan is right about the effort involved in environments. Sydney and part of Antarctica are scheduled for SS 2009. It is quite possible that there may not be any new environments for SS 2008.
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Sydney and Antarctica. That's good news even if it won't be available until next year.
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Hello everebody, still not understanding such critism again VSTEP.
The simulator not matching your expectation ? Don't buy it and try to find another ship simulator (yes there is a few).
The simulator is still not very accurate ? Ok VSTEP is a small company. That's why i bought all products (including add-ons) to support them.
Your bank account is low or you don't want to buy it ? Maybe you can help them by sending ship's pilot cards or sea trials reports or other materials instead of unconstructive critism.
Do that and i bet the next SS 20XX will be better so far.
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jibemorel, i dont really think your first post as a new member was very polite, but thats just me. But, yes people, you gotta be patient, u have to give them time to think, to model and to test and add. You can't just say that, hey we want this, and have it the next day! Patience people, all about patience, i've been waiting forever for QM2, but i not really complaining, i'd model it myself, but im not good enough for her yet!
Thanx
Kapn Jonah
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Hi jibemorel, and welcome to the forum.
As you may find out, I am the only (in)sane Moderator around here. You'll find that no matter what opinion you express, some forum members will agree and some will disagree. Some will disagree while they agree with you (see above). In most cases, I will try to lighten the mood, although from time to time I may jump in with stern words. (That's a sort of shipping joke. "Stern".....)
Here are some links that you may find useful:
The Help Page. To assist you with forum posting, and the more advanced features on the forum -
http://www.shipsim.com/ShipSimForum/index.php?action=help
The Forum Rules. To help you make informed decisions regarding posting - http://www.shipsim.com/ShipSimForum/index.php/topic,26.0.html
The Search function. A very useful tool to help you find the answer to that elusive question -
http://www.shipsim.com/ShipSimForum/index.php?action=search
The Tutorials board. Check here for guides that cover common questions -
http://www.shipsim.com/ShipSimForum/index.php/board,35.0.html
The Technical Support board/s. Got a problem with your game? This is where you need to check first.
Ship Simulator 2006 Technical Support -
http://www.shipsim.com/ShipSimForum/index.php/board,9.0.html
Ship Simulator 2008 Technical Support -
http://www.shipsim.com/ShipSimForum/index.php/board,5.0.html
* Please note: To access Technical Support, you will need to register your Ship Simulator licence key into your forum profile. If you're not sure how to do this, please check the General FAQ's.
The FAQ's and Announcements board. Check here for answers to commonly asked questions. Also a useful source for the latest information regarding Ship Simulator development - http://www.shipsim.com/ShipSimForum/index.php/board,1.0.html
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Good afternoon TerryRussell, Kapn Jonah, all members.
Kapn Jonah : sorry if you didn't my first post unpolite (there is no personal attack against anybody tough), you're right it's my first post, altough i am not a new member since i used SS2006 and 2008 for a long time (and looking forward the next version). Just thougt that the subject of this topic was a little bit "negative" , didn't help anybody to improve the game and tried to explain my point of view.
Terry Russell : didn't want to take your job (you do it very well) and appreciate your assistance.
All the best,
Jibemorel
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What? You don't want my job? Oh, damn. I was getting my hopes up....
Heh heh. Enjoy yourself here, won't you?
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What? You don't want my job? Oh, damn. I was getting my hopes up....
Heh heh. Enjoy yourself here, won't you?
Where are you today? Sonderstrom?
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In transit from Ontario to London, so Greenland seems to be the most appropriate for most of the day....
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In transit from Ontario to London, so Greenland seems to be the most appropriate for most of the day....
Which airline lets you online while flying?
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Good afternoon TerryRussell, Kapn Jonah, all members.
Kapn Jonah : sorry if you didn't my first post unpolite (there is no personal attack against anybody tough), you're right it's my first post, altough i am not a new member since i used SS2006 and 2008 for a long time (and looking forward the next version). Just thougt that the subject of this topic was a little bit "negative" , didn't help anybody to improve the game and tried to explain my point of view.
Terry Russell : didn't want to take your job (you do it very well) and appreciate your assistance.
All the best,
Jibemorel
If you thought this post was a little "negative" you'll find yourself spending a lot of time replying to posts all over this forum with your opinions. It may just be me but it seemed like when vstep was developing SS08 we were all kept up do date with the developments and new features that they were working on, via youtube or announcements on this forum. So far I haven't seen or heard anything about what they are working on for the shipyard or even SS09 for that matter. It would be nice to at least know what to look forward to. How else would we know if all of the suggestions and requests we have all been asking for are even being considered.
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If you thought this post was a little "negative" you'll find yourself spending a lot of time replying to posts all over this forum with your opinions. It may just be me but it seemed like when vstep was developing SS08 we were all kept up do date with the developments and new features that they were working on, via youtube or announcements on this forum. So far I haven't seen or heard anything about what they are working on for the shipyard or even SS09 for that matter. It would be nice to at least know what to look forward to. How else would we know if all of the suggestions and requests we have all been asking for are even being considered.
VStep have a fund of information on this forum of peoples' hopes and expectations for SS09 but they seem to prefer to keep people in the dark now.
Like the shipyard when there is a lot of expectation and chatter, then silence when people get bored and then lo and behold - Bingo something pops up in the shipyard.
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Hi Mike,
I think VSTEP have learned that any hint of the future that they give gets transformed into a promise to deliver. They then get castigated if things don’t happen when folks imagined that they should, accused of breaking promises they never made—even of lying. There is no reason for them to “keep us informedâ€, and many good reasons not to.
Regards,
Marty
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What would we all do without mvsmith? The smartest guy on the forum. Thanks! You must have a lot of time on your hands.
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Hi Mike,
I think VSTEP have learned that any hint of the future that they give gets transformed into a promise to deliver. They then get castigated if things don’t happen when folks imagined that they should, accused of breaking promises they never made—even of lying. There is no reason for them to “keep us informedâ€, and many good reasons not to.
Regards,
Marty
Marty
That was what I was trying to imply, but you have a better way with words !!!!
Rgds
Mike
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What would we all do without mvsmith? The smartest guy on the forum. Thanks! You must have a lot of time on your hands.
That was totally uncalled for, Sir!
I think that your tone even justifies asking you to apologize to a respected member that has contributed a lot to this forum and the game.
I don't know what kind of problem you have here, but if you cannot take Mvsmith's usual spot of sarcasm here and there, I think you better ignore him alltogether and refrain from replying.
This is not the first time you have been inpolite to another person on the forum, so consider this a warning.
Thank you.
Regards,
Fred
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Apology? I wouldn't think of such a thing. And who say's that guy is respected?
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Who? Well ME for a start. Obviously.
Your attitude is not very desirable, my friend. Insulting people with snide remarks is not the way to go. Just a friendly bit of advice.
Regards,
Fred
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That’s OK Fred. An apology from him would be without meaning. His remarks say more about him than about me.
It is unfortunate that he identified himself in my reference to fools. Now I feel a bit like the prince in “Cinderellaâ€.
Regards,
Marty
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I guess you're right, it wouldn't mean much, Marty. Pity some people take unnecessary offence like that, oh well...
and :D
Fred
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To me this type of person gets me if he took the time he would
realize the 100% input that marty gives to this forum and I like
his THIS is how it is NO beating About the Bush way he calls a spade a spade
and there is nothing wrong with that.
Eric
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I see that the list of "unread post since last visit" have decreased a lot this month :D
Before I had maybe 3-5 pages of unread posts..lol. Now I usually just one page ;D
I wonder what will happen when the Christmas arrives? Maybe a 3-5 pages unread posts again :D
Yeah the activity is low....(and bright on the "other side")
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Yeah he said right i guess-
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To me this type of person gets me if he took the time he would
realize the 100% input that marty gives to this forum and I like
his THIS is how it is NO beating About the Bush way he calls a spade a spade
and there is nothing wrong with that.
Eric
100% agree. Marty provides a tremendous amount of input, most of which is unseen by most members of this forum.
I know that Marty is more tolerant of fools than I am ('cos he said so. He is the more diplomatic one, compared to me, or so he told me).
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Any upcoming vessels?
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For those who have, or will get, Collector’s Edition, there is an excellent video included. It gives a good look into VSTEP, and much information on new developments in SS 2009—or 2010 as it is called in the included booklet “Captain’s Journalâ€.
The video has developers demonstrating the tools used to create Ship Simulator, and also shows the improved sea and harbor environments. Sidney is very impressive. They are also working on Bora Bora. SS2009 should be worth waiting for.
The video also introduces you to some of the developers, who seem to be real people—or very good CGI.
If you are considering getting the NH add-on, CE is a better deal. In addition to the extras, it offers a one-step installation instead of a half-dozen updates.
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well talking about a new vessel and environment jumbo jevelin is freee
but do you know of any missions
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Hi bbydino05,
When you get Jumbo Javelin from the Vstep website you also get 10 missions using that vessel. You should really check the information provided both here on the forum and on the shipsim website.
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Hi Angus,
I think that the JJ missions are found in Play > Custom missions instead of Play > Missions.
There are about ten missions for JJ there.
Regards,
Marty
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Hi Angus,
I think that the JJ missions are found in Play > Custom missions instead of Play > Missions.
There are about ten missions for JJ there.
Regards,
Marty
Marty
Yes, have only just found them there myself, I wonder why they load to Customs Missions when they are issued by VStep? Do you think that they can be manually moved?
Regards
Mike
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Hi Mike.
They were in Custom missions while we were beta testing them.
That is actually a better place for them, in case it is necessary to revise them.
In the past, when it was necessary to correct a VSTEP-supplied mission by posting a new version for in-game download, the older flawed mission remained in Play > Missions—where it was a constant source of confusion.
They are, in fact, custom missions.
You can move them into Play > Missions if you like, but we can’t be responsible for any unintended consequences.
There is a difference in the way SS scans those two lists to get the displayed title from the file. The file name is not always the mission title.
The two lists are in different locations. Custom missions are in your user section and are preserved when you update SS. “Official†missions are in the SS program section, and may be overwritten when you update or re-install.
Regards,
Marty
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Marty
Succinctly put as usual. I'll leave them where they are!!
Mike
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Hi bbydino05,
When you get Jumbo Javelin from the Vstep website you also get 10 missions using that vessel. You should really check the information provided both here on the forum and on the shipsim website.
i didnt know it was under custom
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I think this is something we should need in ShipSim in future:
http://www.cruisebusiness.com/images/20080827/Pages%20from%20CBR_lehti_102-110.pdf
• The Helsinki-Tallinn route is one of the busiest in the world.
• Vessels range from catamarans to roro vessels and even pure cruise ferries.
• Cross the Gulf of Finland in about two hours year-round.
• Main operators between Helsinki - Tallinn: Tallink, Viking Line, Eckero Line, Linda Line
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I hate to say this but I have to agree with the lengthy post here. I have been envolved in Simulations dating back to DOS 5.0 and 6 and there are no simulations of that quality and graphics so fine today, thanks to Windows Operating System. Majority of the software companies of yesteryear are no longer writing Programs for the PC, Thanks to Microsoft.
Majority of the software today, due to the flaw in Windows, is iinferior.
Back to the topic, VSTEP should have had addtional ships in the works prior to the release of 2008 and NH.
I bought both the download version and the boxed version and also the two new ships and NH. Total cost slightly under or mayby slightly higher due to the currency conversion of the download version from $ to eros. Any the boxed version was 1.3 and the download vesion 2.42. Now with NH beibng released, it was a task never before have seen to upgrade. The Chart created showing the steps envolved looked more like the blueprint of the Empire State Building!
Also to add to to the confusion is the fact there are two mainin versions of Windows XP, the American Version and the European version. That comes into play here. If you noticed in most releases in European Software, two versions are available for purchase, American and European. Only one is offered by VSTEP.
I have run numerous CUSTOM MISSIONS and have had problems that other players haven't had. True it is computer problems, but unlike hardware problem, problems are caused by software, uncontrollable by the user.
Also there was the major patch released rather than releasing a new full release and having all previous vversions removed. Now you are having different versions and new addons. There is a possibilty that on some user's PC's, the updates did not fully installed properly even though the lates version is displayed.
So really, you haven't missed very much by waiting. You have saved yourself from a lot of confusion!
Alex
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I hate to say this but I have to agree with the lengthy post here. I have been envolved in Simulations dating back to DOS 5.0 and 6 and there are no simulations of that quality and graphics so fine today, thanks to Windows Operating System. Majority of the software companies of yesteryear are no longer writing Programs for the PC, Thanks to Microsoft.
Majority of the software today, due to the flaw in Windows, is iinferior.
Back to the topic, VSTEP should have had addtional ships in the works prior to the release of 2008 and NH.
I bought both the download version and the boxed version and also the two new ships and NH. Total cost slightly under or mayby slightly higher due to the currency conversion of the download version from $ to eros. Any the boxed version was 1.3 and the download vesion 2.42. Now with NH beibng released, it was a task never before have seen to upgrade. The Chart created showing the steps envolved looked more like the blueprint of the Empire State Building!
Also to add to to the confusion is the fact there are two mainin versions of Windows XP, the American Version and the European version. That comes into play here. If you noticed in most releases in European Software, two versions are available for purchase, American and European. Only one is offered by VSTEP.
I have run numerous CUSTOM MISSIONS and have had problems that other players haven't had. True it is computer problems, but unlike hardware problem, problems are caused by software, uncontrollable by the user.
Also there was the major patch released rather than releasing a new full release and having all previous vversions removed. Now you are having different versions and new addons. There is a possibilty that on some user's PC's, the updates did not fully installed properly even though the lates version is displayed.
So really, you haven't missed very much by waiting. You have saved yourself from a lot of confusion!
Alex
you mean 1.4.2
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Yes.
Alex
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Gentlemen,
this thread has been somewhat depressing since it started. Last night it degenerated further with one member becoming most foul-mouthed and abusive.
As a resul, a moderator moved the thread to a location where it couldn't be accessed.
The abusive member has now departed. I have cleaned this thread up somewhat and will now return it to where it can be viewed again.
But, if things deteriorate again, I'll just wipe it completely.
Please think happy thoughts, siing merry songs and tell hilarious jokes around the fireplace.
Thanks for your co-operation.