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English forum => Small talk => Topic started by: saltydog on December 22, 2009, 17:52:49
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Operation "Waltzing Matilda" is underway..The Ady Gil has finally left port to join the Steve Irwin
Here some interesting articles: 1 (http://www.necn.com/Boston/SciTech/2009/12/08/Ady-Gil-leaves-on-voyage-to/1260270036.html) 2 (http://www.ecorazzi.com/2009/12/19/stealth-boat-ady-gil-en-route-to-join-sea-shepherd/) 3 (http://ecorazzi.com/slideshow/high-tech-whale-wars-8-weapons-used-in-the-fight-down-under/79/)
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Oh dear... We can look forward to 20 pages of who is wrong out of the hunters or the whalers!
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There is that danger of this turning into a heated discussion, though it is meant to be an information topic about what's going on.. Not to worry, if it gets too crazy this topic will be locked.. ;)
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On an informative point, as you suggest, it looks to be a very technically advanced vessel. Using kevlar to protect it from the ice. Clever. Is that a normal method? I suspect not.
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I suspect the main purpose of the Kevlar is to deflect radar waves..Perhaps it also protects the hull a bit..
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No. The kevlar doesn't do that. although it is radar 'minimised' as you say
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You're right..I got mixed up with the special paint..Kevlar is pretty tough..
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It deflects electromagnetic waves by it's shape. Because of the angles the e.m. waves bounce off, and dont return to the reciever. Radar measures the transit time that the e.m. waves are underway.
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Update: After a collision with a Japanese whaling ship, the Ady Gil is severely damaged and sinking..
Fortunately the crew are allright..
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/anti-whaling-boat-ady-gill-rammed-and-crippled-by-japanese-whalers/story-e6frg12c-1225816667832
Also, here an article on a new addition to the Sea Shepherd fleet: the Bob Barker..
http://www.ecorazzi.com/2010/01/05/photo-the-sea-shepherd-bob-barker/
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So the Kevlar didn't work then...
Shame, the former Earthrace boat is an awesome feat of engineering...
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I agree..it is a shame..I really hope that somehow they can tow her to land and fix her..
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and get her as far from Sea Sheperd and into some more responsible hands...
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I like the paint job, just not the way she's treated as though she's expendable.
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McG. I like that statement. May I quote it in the 'other' topic? (correctly assigned to you of course)
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That is a universal statement, it may be quoth, as long as the original creator is acknowledged...
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How Sea Shepherd could afford it, and what actual purpose it served, other than to try break records to become noticeable, is beyond me.
*cough* tax payers money..
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I don't think sea shephard organisation is funded by any tax payers, somehow...
That said, come to Britain where we give out money to all sorts of strange groups...
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That said, come to Britain where we give out money to all sorts of strange groups...
So true... ::)
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well the Earthrace was bought using sponsor's money (the name Ady Gil comes from the main sponsor)
Apparently it was supposed to be used to 'physically block' whalers.
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Like others have said elsewhere, that would be like an army using a Nissan Micra to block a Challenger 2 main battle tank.
But are we in danger of opening up a second discussion of the same topic...
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Like others have said elsewhere, that would be like an army using a Nissan Micra to block a Challenger 2 main battle tank.
Well, with these cut back's Stu, you never know..
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I doubt she was meant to get physically involved, she's tiny..
Her strength was her speed and endurance..
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Yes, like a game of chicken as already suggested. Run in front of the Japanese and hope they (metaphorically) slam on the brakes...
A kids game... But in this case, it backfired on them; their boat is badly damaged/destroyed and the publicity has backfired on them as generally people are not impressed...
Perhaps had they not faked their captain being shot a little while back then people would be more inclined to believe them. But they did, so they don't.
Most big charities are just a method of making you part with your cash anyway.
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Sea Shepherd's owner and founder, Captain Paul Watson, said he planned to use the vessel to physically block Japanese harpoon ships.[16] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthrace#cite_note-15)
What on earth was he thinking?
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What on earth was he thinking?
Thinking?
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Didn't do much good did it... :C
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What on earth was he thinking?
I've found this statement, which sounds a bit more credible...
Watson has said that it will be used to intercept and block harpoons.
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Intercept and block harpoons? ???
Are they going to get someone and put them in front of the harpoon...? :lol:...That'll intercept it..
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Intercept and block harpoons? ???
Are they going to get someone and put them in front of the harpoon...? :lol:...That'll intercept it..
I think they mean try to block harpoons by driving between the whale and the harpoon ship...
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I can't really see how that would work, to be honest...
All seems very much "For the camera", to me..
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As discussed before, these bunch of people are more interested in playing up for the camera (fictitious shooting of the captain etc).
One wonders why Captain Pugwash was expelled from Greenpeace...
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There is another topic for opinions, this one is for the facts.. :)
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There is another topic for opinions, this one is for the facts.. :)
I'm up for that method of thinking... Who judges what statements are solid facts and what are merely opinions?
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Yes, we must keep a lid on these things, you know.. ;)
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There is another topic for opinions, this one is for the facts.. :)
That is a matter of opinion!
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It is no longer a choice, as the other topic has been locked..
Please keep your opinions civilized.. :)
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Lets just compare the tactics that the whalers and crew of Sea Shepherd use against each other.
Sea Shepherd throws stink bombs, the whalers throw nuts, bolts and flash grenades.
Sea Shepherd ram a ship bigger and stronger to theirs, the whalers ram a catamaran smaller to theirs and made of carbon fibre.
Sea Shepherd uses a laser light against a ship, the whalers use an LRAD against a helicopter, twice.
Sea Shepherd asks for permission to enter French territory, the whalers don't.
Sea Shepherd aims stink bombs for parts of the ship unoccupied, the whalers aim high powered hoses at Sea Shepherd crew members trying to wash them off board.
Sea Shepherd offers help to whalers when looking for a man overboard, the whalers don't offer help to mayday calls.
Now see that as bias as you want, but all of that is true fact. Now who was the most aggressive one again?
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Just sat and read the now locked topic... (because someone didn't agree with peoples point of views)
Could an SS expert or disicple please answer these questions:
o) Do the whales really need people in flimsy catermarans ramming jap merchant vessels?
o) What benefits are there to saving the whales?
o) Who ACTUALLY cares!? (seeing WM appears to be absent ;))
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Just sat and read the now locked topic... (because someone didn't agree with peoples point of views)
Could an SS expert or disicple please answer these questions:
o) Do the whales really need people in flimsy catermarans ramming jap merchant vessels?
o) What benefits are there to saving the whales?
o) Who ACTUALLY cares!? (seeing WM appears to be absent ;))
1) The idea was to catch up quickly to the Harpoon vessels and hover in front of them whilst they're chasing a whale so they can't get the shot.
2) To stop them from going extinct, and protecting an environment that decades ago the entire world swore to not exploit for resources, to leave one part of the world untouched by man.
3) I care.
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If the Whales are harpooned...
... will the world as we know it stop spinning on its axis and vanish from our solar system, only to turn up in a neighbouring galaxy?
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If the Whales are harpooned...
... will the world as we know it stop spinning on its axis and vanish from our solar system, only to turn up in a neighbouring galaxy?
If I killed you would it have the same effect? No obviously not, but it's still killing an innocent living being, assuming your innocent of course.
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Of course it wouldn't have the same effect...im a human and its just an animal.
I hit a badger the other night (what a mess), I regularly have a fly splattered car during the summer (what a mess) does that mean im going to be rammed by the SS land equivilant?
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Of course it wouldn't have the same effect...im a human and its just an animal.
I hit a badger the other night (what a mess), I regularly have a fly splattered car during the summer (what a mess) does that mean im going to be rammed by the SS land equivilant?
Road kill is an accident, but the deliberate action of going out to slaughter a living being is different. And are you actually saying that it's okay to kill animals, because you're a human? Okay then, do you have any pets because I'll kill them saying it's just an animal, it doesn't matter! A whale might not be a household pet, but it's still an animal with feelings.
Okay maybe the slaughter of farm animals such as cows, pigs and lamb is never going to end, but there's an endless supply of those. But the killing of a marine animal that's in a sanctuary is different, especially when one of the three wanted whale species is endangered.
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Of course it wouldn't have the same effect...im a human and its just an animal.
Man is nothing more than an animal on a single branch of the tree of life. Man is still hunted by other animals in the wild all the time. I like to hunt for food myself. I think it's a shame that the Chinese eat cats and dogs but you don't see the animal rights groups going to extremes of stopping that by force. People need to get off their high horse and leave other people alone. I really dont think the Japs will hunt down every last whale until they are gone.
my 2 cents.
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Road kill is an accident, but the deliberate action of going out to slaughter a living being is different. And are you actually saying that it's okay to kill animals, because you're a human? Okay then, do you have any pets because I'll kill them saying it's just an animal, it doesn't matter! A whale might not be a household pet, but it's still an animal with feelings.
Okay maybe the slaughter of farm animals such as cows, pigs and lamb is never going to end, but there's an endless supply of those. But the killing of a marine animal that's in a sanctuary is different, especially when one of the three wanted whale species is endangered.
Genises, scene one act one, the dawn of time...
Animals are always going to be second to humans.
Humans have feelings, animals have instincts.
Humans kill animals to eat. If you have any brothers or sisters (if not then your mum or dad) would you rather they starve, than killing an animal? Knowing that the animal doesn't give two hoots about you? and when animals die thats it...end of...they dont come back as that annoying fly constantly buzzing around McDonalds. I've yet to hear tell of animals existing in the afterlife.
Why should whales be any different? Whaling is morally wrong, but im not losing any sleep at night over it all.
I have 2 dogs at present. If you killed them, the worlds not going to end is it?
Its the same for all these environmental organisations. They are constantly medeling in affairs that they shouldn't be.
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As the other topic is now unlocked, your opinions can in future be posted here:
http://80.95.161.114/shipsim/forum/index.php/topic,17290.125.html#top
This topic will remain for facts and news.. ;)
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Sea Shepherd uses a laser light against a ship, the whalers use an LRAD against a helicopter, twice.
Jammy, whatever else may or may not be true, that video showing a 'laser' is a total fabrication. Laser light does NOT act in the way shown on video. Not at all... Just think about it for a minute. Go back and look at the video- download it into an editor and zoom in... it's faked (not to say they haven't used real ones at other times!)
Then look up laser on wikipedia and you will (or should) see why it is 100% faked!
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Read the above post and resume your discussion there.. ;)
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Read the above post and resume your discussion there.. ;)
I'm sorry?
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Sorry Stu..It's a bit of a mixup lately..Trying to get things back to normal here.. ;)
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Jammy, whatever else may or may not be true, that video showing a 'laser' is a total fabrication. Laser light does NOT act in the way shown on video. Not at all... Just think about it for a minute. Go back and look at the video- download it into an editor and zoom in... it's faked (not to say they haven't used real ones at other times!)
Then look up laser on wikipedia and you will (or should) see why it is 100% faked!
I know it probably is faked, but I do know that Sea Shepherd used it still, and to be fair the whalers have also used lasers they just don't admit it when trying to make Sea Shepherd look more aggressive. My point is though, that using an LRAD device on a helicopter that can cause confusion and sickness is much worse than using a laser that can only cause vision disruption on a ship.
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Hi Jammy, this is no longer a discussion topic..You can go here to discuss further.. ;)
http://80.95.161.114/shipsim/forum/index.php/topic,17290.0.html
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Hi Jammy, this is no longer a discussion topic..You can go here to discuss further.. ;)
http://80.95.161.114/shipsim/forum/index.php/topic,17290.0.html
Yes, agreed. It is becoming a partial duplicate topic... So what's THIS topic for then if not discussion... ???
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Simply to keep up to date on the Waltzing Matilda campaign..
News and facts about it.. :)
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And discussing a *potentially* illegal activity ISN'T news or fact about the campaign? :o
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As you said before: that is a matter of opinion.. ;)
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With all respect, who (as I have asked already) is to judge whether a statement is fact or opinion?
If you are going to impose facts on everyone and not permit any discussion then what on earth is the point of the topic? Why not ask for a sticky with the eco 'heros' website and say 'read. digest. believe;
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You know what..? Let's open this topic for discussion, see where it takes us.. :)
It was never my intention to impose anything..
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You know what..? Let's open this topic for discussion, see where it takes us.. :)
I think that is a wise decision... Now all we need is a steady supply of 'facts'
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You can now continue your discussion about the lasers..
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Hi Jammy, this is no longer a discussion topic..You can go here to discuss further.. ;)
http://80.95.161.114/shipsim/forum/index.php/topic,17290.0.html
I'm discussing an earlier clash between the two forces, not the sinking of the Ady Gil which is the subject of the other topic. Although my apologies if I do seem to be repeating myself.
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No apologies needed Jammy..As you may have gathered, this is now a discussion topic..
So feel free to share your thoughts.. ;)
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I know it probably is faked, but I do know that Sea Shepherd used it still, and to be fair the whalers have also used lasers they just don't admit it when trying to make Sea Shepherd look more aggressive. My point is though, that using an LRAD device on a helicopter that can cause confusion and sickness is much worse than using a laser that can only cause vision disruption on a ship.
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I agree...
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As do I.. Using LRAD against a helicopter pilot is highly questionable..
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I know it probably is faked, but I do know that Sea Shepherd used it still, and to be fair the whalers have also used lasers they just don't admit it when trying to make Sea Shepherd look more aggressive. My point is though, that using an LRAD device on a helicopter that can cause confusion and sickness is much worse than using a laser that can only cause vision disruption on a ship.
Jammy
You THINK it was still used... But you don't KNOW... Facts have to be quantified... I imagine you are correct, but that is an assumption...
In days gone by people would say "It is a KNOWN FACT that the world is square..." without proving it.
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Jammy
You THINK it was still used... But you don't KNOW... Facts have to be quantified... I imagine you are correct, but that is an assumption...
In days gone by people would say "It is a KNOWN FACT that the world is square..." without proving it.
I'm not sure what you exactly mean, but if you mean that I don't actually know if the whalers did use the device on the helicopter, then yes I do as I know they did the exact same thing last year which was shot entirely on film. Although perhaps you meant differently, and could simplify please?
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In simple terms, Jammy. If something is not proven, then it is not a fact, merely an opinion.
For example, if you were to bring criminal charges against them, would the prosecution use your 'opinion' as the basis of their case?
If I were of the opinion that you had committed XYZ offence and the Police charged you based on my 'opinion' and no evidence, would you consider it fair or reasonable? I think not.
It is really simple, you can not make accusations stick based on un-proven claims. Falsifying that youtube video has not made me think much of either side- BOTH sides have OBVIOUS forgeries... But then again, they are targetting young minds who don't have the benefit of being able to see through lies.
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Has it escaped everyone's attention that the Ady Gil has sunk..? Apparently the tow line broke..
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Look on the bright side...
There is now an artificial reef for the little fish to live in...
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I'm sure Ady Gil feels like he's in "Brewsters Millions"...
It's one for the lawyers now..
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Has it escaped everyone's attention that the Ady Gil has sunk..?
No.
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I'm sure Ady Gil feels like he's in "Brewsters Millions"...
It's one for the lawyers now..
Perhaps he should consider looking on this forum for an interesting take on the activities of his colleagues...
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I very much doubt he could learn anything from this forum.. ;)
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I very much doubt he could learn anything from this forum.. ;)
I think you might be right.
See? I told you it would happen eventually! ;D
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfgPgnyX0ak&feature=player_embedded
A video before the Ady Gil was rammed, it proves that the attack by the Shonan Maru No. 2 was unprovoked, and that it had plenty of room but instead was turning towards the Ady Gil for a collision. Although from this video it is hard to tell whose fault it was at the last second.
PS: I notice the other topic was deleted, that's why I'm posting this here.
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ow! But I don't think that the Ady Gil is any less to blame, as the other videos show her surging forward prior to impact.
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Yes, McG is correct on that... Taking each video in isolation will not help.
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Here's another video of the Ady Gil when she was in one piece...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4sKyKh4AC8&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4sKyKh4AC8&NR=1)
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She was trying to get out of the way..You can't seriously think she was trying to ram the Japanese ship..
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She was trying to get out of the way..You can't seriously think she was trying to ram the Japanese ship..
You can't seriously think it was making much effort to get out the way either.
I wouldn't put it past them to let the ship get hit just for the publicity. These people are quite, quite mad.
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She was trying to get out of the way..You can't seriously think she was trying to ram the Japanese ship..
I wouldn't put it past them
EDIT: too late, Stu strikes again
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So she was sitting there waiting to be rammed for publicity..? Pull the other one..
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So she was sitting there waiting to be rammed for publicity..? Pull the other one..
SD, I have a high regard for you and your posts. So I really do not want to start an arguement with you at all.
So I won't hold your innocent naivety against you ;D
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You can't seriously think it was making much effort to get out the way either.
I wouldn't put it past them to let the ship get hit just for the publicity. These people are quite, quite mad.
You think they would waste $2,000,000 and put their crew in danger just for publicity? The boarding thing two years ago might of, but that didn't cost $2,000,000 and the two crew members were in full consent.
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Thank you for your kindness Stu, I won't hold your innocent naivety against you either.. :)
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Thank you for your kindness Stu, I won't hold your innocent naivety against you either.. :)
I would hardly call me innocent or naive. Old and cynical, perhaps?
You think they would waste $2,000,000 and put their crew in danger just for publicity? The boarding thing two years ago might of, but that didn't cost $2,000,000 and the two crew members were in full consent.
Like I said. Quite, quite mad. It is either that or total incompetence. YOU choose which then?
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Like I said. Quite, quite mad. It is either that or total incompetence. YOU choose which then?
I choose neither, if Sea Shepherd are to blame for anything, it would be a spur of the moment gone wrong. When a giant ice enforced ship is heading towards you, you don't think which direction you're going as long as you're going in some direction to get out of the way! Of course this changed when the Shonan Maru No. 2 changed course to port heading back into the Ady Gil's bow, that's where it went wrong.
Now you can't see any of those crew are incompetent, when there's 2 ex-policemen, 1 ex-navy and a professional fireman, the rest would be the camera crew presumably. What qualifications does the whalers have that make them more competent?
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Thats a fast manouverable boat; it could have moved if they tried
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You are so full of it..Go and read some more fairy tales..
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Thats a fast manouverable boat; it could have moved if they tried
Even if it does only go forward and has no reverse gears. They could have seen a giant harpoon vessel heading towards them and moved forward. Seems like they wanted to scare the japanese but didn't move fast enough.
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You are so full of it..Go and read some more fairy tales..
Don't be so damned rude. I have gone out of my way to show you elaborate courtesy even though your opinions are tripe. :P
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We used to have a Clothes Washing Machine we called Waltzing Matilda, I earned the name because whenever it ran it walked across the floor for several yards before it disconnected it's self from the wall. :doh:
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No the last video shows the crew just chilling before they where rammed !
Look how fast the harpoon boat arrives at the Ady Gill, the lads were just having a laugh and this boat blatantly turns up , turns towards them and turns the hoses on , what more proof do you need than this video .This could have been a murder case ....
Having a laugh? Having a laugh? Didn't someone here say they are a responsible crew of experienced people? ::)
No offence, Cawky. But I really do think people are biased with regards to blame based on their opinion of whaling. There are causes that I agree with in principle, but whose methodology is unacceptable.
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From a Norwegian news paper
http://www.vg.no/nyheter/utenriks/artikkel.php?artid=586408
And they use pirate flag to, well this tell how serious this organization "Sea Shepherd " really are, hide behind another country's flag
The Norwegian flag is one of the newest weapons to the controversial organization Sea Shepherd to try to prevent whaling.
(http://i47.tinypic.com/2z6clcn.jpg)
The organization ended up in the media spotlight earlier this week when one of their ship was crushed by Japanese whalers.
The Japanese have accused the organization of trying to sabotage them, while Sea Shepherd believes the Japanese engaged in illegal whaling.
On their website, type your organization how a Norwegian whaling ship is bought in to action against whaling, and that they also use the Norwegian flag to win the Japanese trust
http://www.dagbladet.no/2010/01/09/nyheter/hvalfangst/sea_shepherd/9840317/
Foreign Ministry protests against the environmental activists of Sea Shepherd sailed under the Norwegian flag in the confrontation with Japanese whalers in the Southern Ocean earlier this week.
Sea Shepherd ship Bob Barker met with Japanese whalers in Southern Ocean Wednesday, and tried to fool the Japanese by using the Norwegian flag, writes Aftenposten.
- The Norwegian flag fluttered in the cold Antarctic air, and the silhouette of the whaling ship signaled that the vessel was sent to support the Japanese whalers, Sea Shepherd writes on its website.
Norwegian Penal Code states that it is illegal to sail under false flags.
"Registrar of Ships as unjustified causes a Norwegian flag or other Norwegian nationality mark, or in Norwegian waters, leading some flag or nationality note that he is not entitled to be punished by fines or imprisonment up to 1 year", it says in the Penal Code section 423
State Department now has on this basis, designed a protest letter to Sea Shepherd.
- We have written a letter in which we make it very clear that we do not appreciate such a misuse of the Norwegian flag, "said Communications Bjorn Svenungsen in UD.
The letter was sent Friday. Svenungsen confirm that Sea Shepherds conduct is punishable.
- This law applies regardless of the waters Mon contained in, and regardless of nationality,
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No, Cawky and this is where you are getting matters wrong. NO ONE here, not even me, can issue statements of 'blatant fact'.
Perhaps this pointless exercise of each of us repeating our viewpoints is futile and we should await the outcome of the legal challenge in the Dutch courts.
I would say that sscs really will need better arguements than "we were blatantly rammed, M'Lord". I'm afraid that senior judges in all 'proper' countries will rarely be influenced by whether or not they LIKE each party!
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Perhaps, Cawky, if you were to read my posts you will see that I am not saying that at all.
However, this is becoming really boring repeating the same thing, so if you will forgive me, I just simply agree with whatever you are saying about everything and anything. I am totally wrong, you're right.
I'm sure that the Judge in the compensation trial will be equally bored by it :)
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I have a feeling that whoever supports the party the judge rules against will moan that the judge ruled wrong.
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I didn't mean to be rude, just jerking your chain in my own "naive" way.. :evil: You can take a joke..
That my opinion is "tripe" has crossed my mind.. Awaiting your friendly poke at me.. ;)
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I didn't mean to be rude, just jerking your chain in my own "naive" way.. :evil: You can take a joke..
I know that, SD... If I thought otherwise I would have said something else... I'm not going to hold your naivety and inexperience against you.
That my opinion is "tripe" has crossed my mind.. Awaiting your friendly poke at me.. ;)
And other peoples mind as well... :P
I have a feeling that whoever supports the party the judge rules against will moan that the judge ruled wrong.
That's what I mean... A Judge will rule on 'facts'. He/she won't be swayed by whether he likes each side or not.
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You think they would waste $2,000,000 and put their crew in danger just for publicity? The boarding thing two years ago might of, but that didn't cost $2,000,000 and the two crew members were in full consent.
Full consent or not, the Captain of BOTH vessels are guilty of endangering their own crew.
The only winners in this high seas saga, I suspect, will be the lawyers who are set to make a fortune when everyone starts to sue each other for damages. Then there's insurance and compensation for the loss of Ady Gil, possible criminal proceedings against BOTH parties due to the failure of duty of care and attention which resulted in damage of property on international seas (firstly, an inquiry probably would have to be launched to find out who is to blame - no doubt the Australian and Japanese Government will launch their own investigation and then blame each other), I could go on and on........
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBdp0zJiQdE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLdUISE3e8c
See that and then take a new oppinion
The captain of the Ady Gil is laying on the wing. The bald guy.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBdp0zJiQdE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLdUISE3e8c
See that and then take a new oppinion
The captain of the Ady Gil is laying on the wing. The bald guy.
So? There's someone at the helm, because at one point one of the crew calls in to him...
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So?
Its show clearly that it was a attempt of murder by the japanese.
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I'm sorry but at no point do the crew show any fear of being rammed, even though even I can see what will happen.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLdUISE3e8c
See that and then take a new oppinion
The captain of the Ady Gil is laying on the wing. The bald guy.
It is a captain's responsibility to move out of the harm's way in order to avoid any potential collision, whether it be accident or deliberate.
In that video clip, it would appear there was no attempt made by the Ady Gil to reverse her engines (1:18) and she is still making wakes. In fact at 1:31 to 1:34 it would appear she was just going forwards to the Japanese whaleship at the very last minute, prior to the contact.
Don't get me wrong, I find whaling most abhorrent, however the Ady Gil incident does raise some serious questions of seamanship while feelings are running very high - lives could easily have been lost; thankfully it was not this time.
Next time they might not be so lucky.
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So?
Its show clearly that it was a attempt of murder by the japanese.
Tell me, would you (or anyone for that matter) have reached the same conclusion if this had been two fishing vessels fighting over the rights to a fishing 'ground'?
I know it ISN'T... But humour me, please.
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For me its more personal i know that guy on the front with the beanie.
And there is no one at the helm there were 5 people on the ship.
And you can see 5 people on the movie. IF you count the guy who is filming.
If i was on the ady gil i didnt think that the shonan maru would ram us.
And it just a couple of second you can never respawn to that
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WHICH ship do you mean, sorry?
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WHICH ship do you mean, sorry?
Ady Gil
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He means the Ady Gil.
and he also forgets that there was a crew of 6 aboard Ady Gil...
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So, no one at the helm... It doesn't make any effort to avoid collision...
I doubt this will even reach a Court then...
EDIT: Clashed with McG. So if there was someone at the helm then he/she should have taken evasive action...
I doubt this will even reach a Courth then...
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And there is no one at the helm there were 5 people on the ship.
And you can see 5 people on the movie. IF you count the guy who is filming.
No-one at the helm? Isn't that a bit irresponsible?
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No-one at the helm? Isn't that a bit irresponsible?
Forget it, there probably was.
Unless 1 person fell overboard before the video was made.
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Tell me, would you (or anyone for that matter) have reached the same conclusion if this had been two fishing vessels fighting over the rights to a fishing 'ground'?
I know it ISN'T... But humour me, please.
Cod War springs to mind. Caused major international tension between the UK and Iceland after both British and Icelandic vessels rammed each other a few times, in a dispute over fishing grounds.
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Hmmm... You mean when countries used to fight to protect themselves (rightly or wrongly)? Yes. 'Interesting' times...
Could you imagine Uncle Gordon sending the RN to blockade Icelandic ports until they pay us back our 2.5 billion quid. (could we afford the marine diesel to sail that far anyway)
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Hmmm... You mean when countries used to fight to protect themselves (rightly or wrongly)? Yes. 'Interesting' times...
Could you imagine Uncle Gordon sending the RN to blockade Icelandic ports until they pay us back our 2.5 billion quid. (could we afford the marine diesel to sail that far anyway)
If we shut down one engine...
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If we shut down one engine...
I doubt we'd have any choice since the other engine(s) were cannibalised for spares to save money.
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No-one at the helm? Isn't that a bit irresponsible?
Exactly my thoughts! - Even when we're out on the boat, me and dad have always made sure one of us is at the wheel at least...
Personally I think the scoreboard is even now...Sea Shepherd have played cat and mouse with the Japanese for long enough, and Japan bit back...As Kevin said, and I agree, I do not support whaling, and I think it is awful - But what is the difference between me ringing a chickens neck or harpooning a whale...morally, both are wrong...yet as humans we do anything to try out different foods and flavours...
From a maritime point of view, Sea Shepherd have over-stepped the mark too many times already, being violent towards the whaling ships...THAT is illegal, and irresponsible of the captain(s), that attempt to ram these ships...putting their own lives at risk, and those who are working on these whaling ships.
Who is to say that the people working on the whaling ships actually want to be there? there are many places which suffer poverty, and many people are glad to get any sort of job...I suppose you could say in that sense, it is similar to where they scrap the ships in Alang...To them, Scrapped Ship = Money. To the Whalers, Whale = Money.
Overall I think both have things to answer for...But as for the way Sea Shep. Behave at sea...No excuses for it..
Jack.