Ship Simulator
English forum => Ship Simulator Extremes => Topic started by: FinlandUsername on August 30, 2010, 14:11:42
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Well, after reading so many negative and angry comments (with caps on and many angry smilies and otherwise really negative text, you know what I mean) about SSE I now need to let my feelings out.
For people who haven't got their boxed versions yet;
Be patient! It's not VSTEPs fault or anyones fault here that you haven't got your copy yet.
If you want to complain about that you need to complain about it to your local mailservice not to us in here forums.
For people who can't get their version to work because of STEAM;
Be patient! It's not VSTEPs fault or anyones fault here that you haven't got your copy of the game to work yet.
If you want to complain about that you need to complain about it to STEAM not to us in here forums.
For people whose game has some bugs which makes the game completely unplayable;
Be patient and calm down! VSTEP will fixs all the bugs, they just need time to do that. You really should just be happy that there actually is new Ship Simulator available.
For people who has some minor bugs in the game, but they still can play it;
Calm down! Your bugs will be fixed, you just need to give some time to VSTEP to fixs these bugs. Be happy that you can still play SSE.
For people whose game runs slowly and has bad graphics;
Calm down! It might be your own computer that causes these problems not the game. I have seen a lot of nice screens of SSE which has awesome graphics, also there is a screens with less awesome graphics, but that is caused by the computer being a little underpowered for SSE.
So for everyone who is angry because of these reasons and something else that makes you angry;
Calm down! Be patient! Everything will work out just nice, and when that happens you will wish that you never had done those awfully angry post.
And also, you might wanna know this:
VSTEP had two choices with the release of SSE:
1.Delay the release day and release the SSE without so many bugs and errors
(If they had done that people will be angry because they get the game later than planned)
2.Release the game in 27th of August with couple bugs that will be fixed later with couple patches
(People got angry because of all the bugs and errors)
So maybe you should think about what you are going to write when you next time are going to make an angry post about SSE.
And of course you can write some comments that are negative in constructive way, so that VSTEP knows that they need to fix that with next patch. But please keep those comments clean and non-angry.
And also, I'm waiting SSE to come store nearby, so I haven't got the game yet.
But, unlike so many others in here I can wait patiently to the game to arrive that store and buy it then.
And please don't post a one single angry posts in this thread! This is just for people who can't stand those many angry posts in this forum.
These are just my thoughts, and I hope you read these and think what you are going to post next. :)
'Keep sailing in a happy way trough all the problems you face with SSE' (If any) ;)
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Thanks for that weary good and informative post FinlandUsername that are the best post about SSE so fare :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Tore
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Thanks for that weary good and informative post FinlandUsername that are the best post about SSE so fare :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Tore
Thanks. I just needed to let some of my feelings out, and, well... :)
I just hope people actually reads it. :)
And I think this haven't been so easy to you, due the fact you need to make sure people don't get too angry and wrote everything on their postes.
I really need to give thumbs up to you that you have helped people and cleaned this forum out of those really angry postes. :thumbs:
Also really huge thumbs up to every moderator who have to deal with the angry people. :2thumbs:
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I agree. Look at the game Rig N' Roll (a trucking sim)...that was delayed and delayed with amazing photos, and videos...then when it came out...Pfffft....not even the steering worked properly on the vehicles....the dynamics were all off, and it's a mess. From what I've seen so far, the folks who did that sim, still haven't done anything to fix it and it's been out for a few months...so, I wait until I find some patches and upgrades for it, and in the mean time I have SS08, SSE, FSX, RailSimulator, and the venerable old MSTS to work on.
That's another one, now that I think of it...MSTS was a wreck when it came out, and now there's so many add ons for it that you can't keep up with them all!
Things take time....errors need to be fixed, and not haphazardly either, because that might bring in a whole new set of problems that will really mess up the sim and take even more time.
If your game runs, then that's great...enjoy what you can and wait until the patches come out. Heck, mine runs pretty well, but for some reason I can't seem to get into Sydney harbor from the Islands in the Pacific...the ship just sits there and spins in circles (about 100+ degrees per minute, then goes the other way, and even at full throttle, it goes in reverse :doh:)....it's a bug...it'll get fixed in time, but that's the thing that the crew at VSTEP need...time. They don't have a magic wand to wave over it, it's hundreds and hundreds of lines of code that have to be checked, re-written, or replaced...and none of them can cast a spell to fix it.
So, be patient....things will improve, but you have to give them the time to actually fix the problems. Some of the problems that have been posted are because the computers aren't up to the task of the demands of the program, and little else. Others are having problems because they never do maintenance on their systems, but expect it to run like it just came out of the box....that's not reality. How do you think your car or bike or anything else would run if you never did any maintenance?
Jim
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That is true, many games has been games with bugs and errors at the beginning. And after a while there is patches to solve all problems, and you'll never remember how the game was in the beginning.
Just give VSTEP some time and SSE will turn out just the awesome way as it should be. ;)
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Yes wait and it will be not very good but excellent
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Hi Finlanduser, it is a good initiative to ask people to think before they write thos nasty posts. However, I do not agree with you about it being normal to launch such a buggy game. It is the world upside down. Did you ever buy a car without wheels (and the manufacturer telling you that they will be delivered in a next release)? Or a HiFi set without a plug, so for the time being you can only sit and look at it? Because that was my first reaction when I started the game. I paid the full € 40. Those are real euros. So you might expect to get a real game. People are angry because they like the game so much and are just very disappointed. Having 6fps with a system that is well within the required specifications is a disappointment.
So there you have my reaction. Without foul language, because I agree, that doesn't solve anything.
Let's hope the firsts patches that address the main problems get in quickly
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Indeed it is kinda weird to buy for game with bugs and errors.
But think it this way, if VSTEP had delayed the release to fix all the bugs and errors, what would you (and other people) think about that? They and you would be really angry about that.
You can think this still as a delayed release, you'll get your game to work as planned later.
So, if you think this as a ''beta'' release of the game and think that you are helping VSTEP to sort out all the bugs and errors by reporting them, it doesn't feel so bad. Other option would be that you don't have any version of SSE in your computer currently. ;)
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Hi all,
Thanks for your posts, let's hope they have some effect on some people :)
We really are doing our best to get the game running for everyone, and I can tell you now that I imagine both VSTEP and Steam are working on the issues at the moment.
If you see the amount of pages us modertors have to go through you would probably have quite a shock. Also my download lists of DXDIAG reports and crash files is pretty long too :)
As always, please be patient and those who can run the game just enjoy what you have at the moment :)
All the best,
Adam
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We can hope Captain....but you know how people are. Some folks just aren't happy unless they have something to grump about. I've never understood that myself...I've always been a 'Glass Half-Full' kind of person. Heck, if you think back...before the release date there were multiple posts of "I want it NOW"..."Why Do I Have To Wait?", and now that they have it...all they do is complain about it.
As they said in the past....You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. It's like giving someone a new car, and them complaining "But it's not RED!"...c'mon, be glad for what you do have. Here in the States, Oprah Winfrey gave away cars and some of them had the nerve to complain that they had to pay the tax on them...sheesh...it's a FREE CAR! What's the matter with you people??!! :doh:
The only folks that I have any sort of empathy for are the ones who got it but without a License Key....and that's been from Steam I believe (mainly)....they shouldn't be grumping about it here though, they should be writing to Steam....last I checked, VSTEP didn't run Steam.
Oh well....in the meantime, I'll wait on the coming patches, and enjoy what I already have.
Happy Sailing!
Jim
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Hi all,
Thanks for your posts, let's hope they have some effect on some people :)
We really are doing our best to get the game running for everyone, and I can tell you now that I imagine both VSTEP and Steam are working on the issues at the moment.
If you see the amount of pages us modertors have to go through you would probably have quite a shock. Also my download lists of DXDIAG reports and crash files is pretty long too :)
As always, please be patient and those who can run the game just enjoy what you have at the moment :)
All the best,
Adam
Everyone who wrote here hopes that it has some affect to people I think. :)
And we can't never thank you moderators enough of the work you need to do to keep this forums at least quite clean of those trash posts. :2thumbs:
Also, I couldn't agree more with you Chitch :)
It's nice to see that I'm not the onlyone with this kind of thougts ;)
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Thanks...you know what they say about 'Great Minds run in the same path' :thumbs:
Jim
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Thanks...you know what they say about 'Great Minds run in the same path' :thumbs:
Jim
Indeed :thumbs:
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I am absolute positive about the game. After downloading it form shipsim.com. Mailman hasn't delivered it yet.
For people who haven't got their boxed versions yet;
Be patient! It's not VSTEPs fault or anyones fault here that you haven't got your copy yet.
Sure. VSTEP is not the mailman, but there was an expectation about pre-ordering the game. As the website tells:
"Pre-order Ship Simulator Extremes boxed or download from August 9th onwards, and be sure to enjoy the unique bonus in-game content"
'Be sure' could be read as "be sure to receive te game in time".
And also, you might wanna know this:
VSTEP had two choices with the release of SSE:
1.Delay the release day and release the SSE without so many bugs and errors
(If they had done that people will be angry because they get the game later than planned)
2.Release the game in 27th of August with couple bugs that will be fixed later with couple patches
(People got angry because of all the bugs and errors)
Right you are, but again the expectations were there. VSTEP made a lot of announcements of a fantastic game. They could not have done anything else, but "pre-communication" about "after-sales delivery" should have been a good idea. Today my 7 year old son asked "so where are the whale-hunters?" I explained they are there to come (hope so?). And his reply was "but they announced a Greenpeace vs. whale-hunters gameplay!" What would I say?
A missions menu with no missions at all is not a very good choice. At least a few missions should have been there. That's not a problem, but a sign roll out came too fast?
And of course you can write some comments that are negative in constructive way, so that VSTEP knows that they need to fix that with next patch. But please keep those comments clean and non-angry.
That is the best advice!
The game is absolute 3 steps higher than SS2008, and even SS2008 was very good. Beautiful ships. Seeing the well developed game really does give the confidence everything will be fixed at the end of this year. VSTEP is an absolute king in making simulators. But the business to consumer translation is a job that has to loose its rough edges :-)
Pjotr and his men did a very good job! :2thumbs:
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Once again I go away to take a slight break from it all and I now know why both myself and others do what we do on this forum for free ;D
It's very nice to see that there are people out there who do not complain ;D
Thanks for your kind words though guys, it is appreciated. Right, off to post in some technical support threads :)
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Finally someone said something! People need to stop complaining. I havent bought SSE yet, im going to wait until everything is fixed. one thing i am not happy about that would honestly prevent me from buying it, is the videos i have seen with the wake, while the wake waves are more realistic, the churning of the props are not, but why am i complaining, when i hate people who complain and i dont own it yet.
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Indeed it is kinda weird to buy for game with bugs and errors.
But think it this way, if VSTEP had delayed the release to fix all the bugs and errors, what would you (and other people) think about that? They and you would be really angry about that.
You can think this still as a delayed release, you'll get your game to work as planned later.
So, if you think this as a ''beta'' release of the game and think that you are helping VSTEP to sort out all the bugs and errors by reporting them, it doesn't feel so bad. Other option would be that you don't have any version of SSE in your computer currently. ;)
Hi there.
While in general terms I agree with the spirit of your proposals for calmest reactions, I must point out in relation with your worries for "what would you (and other people) think about that?", that when advertised, VSTEP didn't say anything for "bugs and errors" and didn't give us any choice to chose between a buggy "beta" version and a delay.
No. They advertised their product which we paid to obtain as a final version and not as a "beta".
Therefore, you shouldn't worry what our reaction would be if they have delayed the product, because that was never an option.
What you would say if in accordance with your suggestions, VSTEP has given the game to everyone for free and charge only who wanted the "final" version without the bugs?
Would that be reasonable?
Friendly Greetings
Angelos
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Hi there.
While in general terms I agree with the spirit of your proposals for calmest reactions, I must point out in relation with your worries for "what would you (and other people) think about that?", that when advertised, VSTEP didn't say anything for "bugs and errors" and didn't give us any choice to chose between a buggy "beta" version and a delay.
No. They advertised their product which we paid to obtain as a final version and not as a "beta".
Well, you don't sell your car by saying that it's just a wreck, huh? Seen any advertisement that tells you that there is something 'wrong' with the product? And why would VSTEP need to let us choose between 'buggy/now' and 'better/later' versions? If they would ask that before releasing SSE, I can say that people could just choose the now version.
And then we end into same thing we are now. ;)
Therefore, you shouldn't worry what our reaction would be if they have delayed the product, because that was never an option.
I think that delay was an option for VSTEP, but they decided to do what they feel is the best to do;
Release it now and fix it with patches later. ;)
What you would say if in accordance with your suggestions, VSTEP has given the game to everyone for free and charge only who wanted the "final" version without the bugs?
Would that be reasonable?
Friendly Greetings
Angelos
That is like giving out the hamburger without meat or anything in it and then charge about that meat, salad and everything later? Stupid huh? :P
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SSE too bad...SHIP SIMULATOR 2008 BETTER THAN SSE :evil: :evil: :'(
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I want to say some good words too.(I doesn't count costalam....)
I received it today ;D And immediatly installed it. And it all worked :o.... Playing a greenpeace tutorial first. And it wasn't bad what I saw. The ships self have made a big improvement with SS 2008. Also the water effects are better(not perfect but really better). Ok, i'm not going to deny that everything is working fine.. But so far so good :2thumbs:
It's not as bad as some people told. I really think SSE has a good chance in the future. But that needs time.
Good luck Vstep with improving SSE :2thumbs:
Who follows?? ;D ???
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Well, you don't sell your car by saying that it's just a wreck, huh? Seen any advertisement that tells you that there is something 'wrong' with the product? And why would VSTEP need to let us choose between 'buggy/now' and 'better/later' versions? If they would ask that before releasing SSE, I can say that people could just choose the now version.
And then we end into same thing we are now. ;)
I think that delay was an option for VSTEP, but they decided to do what they feel is the best to do;
Release it now and fix it with patches later. ;)
That is like giving out the hamburger without meat or anything in it and then charge about that meat, salad and everything later? Stupid huh? :P
Thanks for acknowledging how unreasonable your arguments were.
It seem that you try too hard to excuse VSTEP for the "hole in the water" they created with Extremes
that you missed the irony behind my words.
I strongly disagree with your arbitrary conclusion regarding to what the users would have chosen.
I really do not think that you or any else can talk "for all the users".
Since you accept as "fraud" the advertised product (wrecked car you called it) I don't get why you find the angry comments of the people who payed for that wrecked car as unjustified?
Therefore and while I was very careful to not offend anyone while expressing my opinion, what I find really stupid, is your persistence backing up this buggy product and their creators and asking the people who paid for that "wrecked car" (your words) to be calm.
I realize from the tone of your response, that your intention was probably to annoy people instead of calm down.
Angelos
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I want to say some good words too.(I doesn't count costalam....)
I received it today ;D And immediatly installed it. And it all worked :o.... Playing a greenpeace tutorial first. And it wasn't bad what I saw. The ships self have made a big improvement with SS 2008. Also the water effects are better(not perfect but really better). Ok, i'm not going to deny that everything is working fine.. But so far so good :2thumbs:
It's not as bad as some people told. I really think SSE has a good chance in the future. But that needs time.
Good luck Vstep with improving SSE :2thumbs:
Who follows?? ;D ???
i hope sse will better than ss08,but in this time sse have many many bugs~~~
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I agree. Look at the game Rig N' Roll (a trucking sim)...that was delayed and delayed with amazing photos, and videos...then when it came out...Pfffft....not even the steering worked properly on the vehicles....the dynamics were all off, and it's a mess. From what I've seen so far, the folks who did that sim, still haven't done anything to fix it and it's been out for a few months...so, I wait until I find some patches and upgrades for it, and in the mean time I have SS08, SSE, FSX, RailSimulator, and the venerable old MSTS to work on.
That's another one, now that I think of it...MSTS was a wreck when it came out, and now there's so many add ons for it that you can't keep up with them all!
Things take time....errors need to be fixed, and not haphazardly either, because that might bring in a whole new set of problems that will really mess up the sim and take even more time.
If your game runs, then that's great...enjoy what you can and wait until the patches come out. Heck, mine runs pretty well, but for some reason I can't seem to get into Sydney harbor from the Islands in the Pacific...the ship just sits there and spins in circles (about 100+ degrees per minute, then goes the other way, and even at full throttle, it goes in reverse :doh:)....it's a bug...it'll get fixed in time, but that's the thing that the crew at VSTEP need...time. They don't have a magic wand to wave over it, it's hundreds and hundreds of lines of code that have to be checked, re-written, or replaced...and none of them can cast a spell to fix it.
So, be patient....things will improve, but you have to give them the time to actually fix the problems. Some of the problems that have been posted are because the computers aren't up to the task of the demands of the program, and little else. Others are having problems because they never do maintenance on their systems, but expect it to run like it just came out of the box....that's not reality. How do you think your car or bike or anything else would run if you never did any maintenance?
Jim
I waited 7 years for Rig N Roll and it is so disappointing.. I still can't believe 1C is alive.
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Thanks for acknowledging how unreasonable your arguments were.
It seem that you try too hard to excuse VSTEP for the "hole in the water" they created with Extremes
that you missed the irony behind my words.
I strongly disagree with your arbitrary conclusion regarding to what the users would have chosen.
I really do not think that you or any else can talk "for all the users".
Since you accept as "fraud" the advertised product (wrecked car you called it) I don't get why you find the angry comments of the people who payed for that wrecked car as unjustified?
Therefore and while I was very careful to not offend anyone while expressing my opinion, what I find really stupid, is your persistence backing up this buggy product and their creators and asking the people who paid for that "wrecked car" (your words) to be calm.
I realize from the tone of your response, that your intention was probably to annoy people instead of calm down.
Angelos
Well, yes I think I spoke too much, these are just what I think of, I'm not speaking 'for whole community'. ;)
And my wrecked car example was bad, but you'll get the point (I hope)
I'm not trying to annoy people, I'm just telling them to think before posting and also think how the VSTEP is still working on the patches for the game that you can in some day play SSE as you should. ;)
Also;
What would you think if the VSTEP had delayed the release instead of giving you this version of the game?
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Chitch, you should get the biggest gold star, for once I have seen someone who has finally really understood how it goes, and how that everything needs time..
But instead have this
(http://www.jrkees01.com/assets/Best_Cookie-20.jpg)
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I think SSE is very real :), it does not improve dramatically in my view ;)
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I think SSE is very real :), it does not improve dramatically in my view ;)
In that case you'll be pleasantly surprised in few months time. :)
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yes ;D
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It's nice that people from Finland loves SSE! ;D
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yeah ;D
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Hello,
Information:
From simmarket, the game is corrupt. Many parts are lost.
You receive a key but it is impossible to go to the key fonction.
I wait help from vstep team because simmarket dont reply.
I am patient but i have a question:
If i bring you the bill from simmarket, is it possible to try a zip from vstep?
Sorry for english and best regards from Ouistreham
J Billard
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:2thumbs: :) Downloaded 2 days ago and have been sailing for 2 days; deckhand (wife) not sure about what I'm doing alone in my command center.
Now down to business.
1 some bugs so far; expected with new software put out by any company. Acceptable.
2 vstep always come through eventually. This has something to do with your patience-quota. Mines high at my time of life. Good things take time.
3 overall Exremes is the best of the litter. DDT the bugs and it will rate a ***** from me.
3 my tug will not reverse. must go forward the entire mission and this has brouhgt out my genious. <G>
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Well, yes I think I spoke too much, these are just what I think of, I'm not speaking 'for whole community'. ;)
And my wrecked car example was bad, but you'll get the point (I hope)
I'm not trying to annoy people, I'm just telling them to think before posting and also think how the VSTEP is still working on the patches for the game that you can in some day play SSE as you should. ;)
Also;
What would you think if the VSTEP had delayed the release instead of giving you this version of the game?
In this case, I would appreciate if VSTEP (which myself and others supported during their growing up by buying their products) have faithfully informed us (even after the purchase for not destroying their image) that they "know that their product might need improvements and they will soon take any necessary steps on this direction, in order to perform as anticipated".
That would be a straightforward attitude to ourselves.
By not doing anything similar to that, they appear as collecting the money for their advertised product which many claim to be under performant, and without giving any guarantee that they will fix their bugs.
If you observe, you might understand that whatever I propose here or previously is only intended to help avoiding everyone to become angry, in accordance with the topic.
In general, I do not appreciate decisions made by others in accordance with their profit, on behalf of myself.
Therefore, another option would be to initiate a poll on their site and let the people actually decide if they wanted the buggy version NOW or wait for bug fixes and DELAY.
As I said on my first reply to you, I agree that people should be patient and remain calm in general terms.
I myself, found a solution to the under performance of the game by updating my graphics card drivers with the newer ones which thankfully Dell issued on August 25th and I have missed until now.
Therefore and concluding, I wish to say that the solution I was fortunate to find might not be available for everyone who has performance issues. I trust that VSTEP will come with a appropriate solution as soon as possible.
That doesn't relieve the frustration so many users expressed however.
Thanks
Angelos
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In that case you'll be pleasantly surprised in few months time. :)
Sounds like a hint at some Top Secret Insider Info there....care to share what you know with us???
Jim
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And also, you might wanna know this:
VSTEP had two choices with the release of SSE:
1.Delay the release day and release the SSE without so many bugs and errors
(If they had done that people will be angry because they get the game later than planned)
2.Release the game in 27th of August with couple bugs that will be fixed later with couple patches
(People got angry because of all the bugs and errors)
I think maybe delaying the game might have been a better option. There are a lot of angry people out there still. I was checking websites with reviews and everyone was giving this game 1 star because it didn't work and that will put a lot of put people off buying it completely or for another while. Its made the game look bad when in fact its a great game. Hopefully those who have given it bad reviews or have not bothered buying it check back soon and see that the problems are now fixed and Steam and Vstetp will continue to fix bugs and glitches.
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I doubt that VSTEP had the option of delaying the release, having committed to an unrealistic release date with the publisher Paradox.
The publisher, in turn, must make commitments such as reserving pressing plant capacity, etc. The cost of delaying the release could be unacceptably high.
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Here's an idea. Post a release date that you can stick to. One far enough in advance to fix bugs before its released. Proper Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance. Something every ship captain knows.
I think a more honest name for this program would be something like "Ship Game" or "Ship-like Simulator". In a sim you would be doing things like monitoring engine guages and hydraulic pressures and actually commanding the ship AND its operations. VStep should to take a look at X-Plane or at least MS Flight Simulator. Put it this way, in a sim, if you can operate it on the computer, you should have a good chance at operating the craft successfully in life. A throttle and steering wheel just doesnt add up to the level of "Simulator". SSE has beautiful water. Not worth 50 or 60 bones US. The best flight sim on the market is 29 bucks! and its amazingly accurate according to this pilot.
VSTEP! Look at X-Plane for inspiration. SSE is a decent start, keep it up!
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The hard fact about any complex software project is that it is not possible to know when it can be released until it is ready to be released.
However, there are usually strong pressures on the developer to come up with a date. The cries of impatient kiddies can, should, be ignored just as parents become inured to “Are we there yet?â€
Demands from a publisher are another matter. They must be given and met.
Entirely bug-free releases occur about as often as immaculate conceptions. In the present case, the situation was greatly exacerbated by the unforgivable foul-up with STEAM. Although there was little that VSTEP could do about that situation after it developed, it was the responsibility of someone at VSTEP to see that it never developed.
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Hi Finland User!
I just wanted to say i think this is a very nice thing for you to do/ bring up! i know everyone has been anxious as have i for SSE and people need to realize its not there fault. they've all done their best on making this game great and of course theres a few other things that have to be done to fix the minor problems and some people need to update things on their cpus i myself actually need a little better graphics card. my cpu runs the game pretty well but its not up to optimum like id like it to be. Also people need to realize that the game came out last week. they need to time to hear the comments and or problems and need time to come up with solutions! rome wasnt built in a day. so people please be paitient! and before you start complaining and writing ANGRY TEXT IN CAPITAL LETTERS!(like this) make sure your computer is not to blame. because id sure hate to have someone complain about a whole bunch of stuff and saying their computer is the best etc. and then they attach their DXDIAG and turn out to be way below the minimum specs for the game!
sincerely,
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For people whose game runs slowly and has bad graphics;
Calm down! It might be your own computer that causes these problems not the game. I have seen a lot of nice screens of SSE which has awesome graphics, also there is a screens with less awesome graphics, but that is caused by the computer being a little underpowered for SSE.
I'm not a computer noob. I've been tinkering and building PC's for over 10 years. The fact is, I paid $50 dollars for a piece of software. That earns me the right to express my feelings and the results of use of the software. I am calm, but don't need someone to tell me to be calm when I'm simply reporting the results of the product.
It is my right to post, and report what is happening. The fact is, SSE is not completely ready. I would whole heartedly been happy to wait 2 months or more for a piece of software to be released and working efficiently upon arrival.
Please do not talk down to people with legitimate issues.
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3 my tug will not reverse. must go forward the entire mission and this has brouhgt out my genious. <G>
If you mean the Bugsier, she has no reverse..To go backwards you must turn the azipods.. :)
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Also the customers could be "blame" in this "sickness" of modern acting and thinking. I think this is very closely connected with that many persons will always buy the latest and newest, and in the hunting of that we even buy half finished products. Companies always try to come up with newest in shortest time, and we rush to buy it. And in computer software more and more persons accept that the product they buy will have some errors inside of it which will be fixed in the future. I will name it a sickness, and the customers have the same part of it as the companies, we have the choice to not buy the product until it is ready and fixed, or asking for our money back if the product(this time a game), do not work properly. Another example of a program which also have many bugs are Windows(operating system), office products, the list could be long. And I have accepted this also, stupid as I am.
So why should we just accept that computer software products are never 100% complete when we buy them?
As far as I know so is there no other products we accept that with. You do not go to restaurant and order a meal and then got the meat. When you start to complain, you are told that the potatoes will come next week and the saus will come next years. Who sit back and start to eat the meat and are happy with that solutions. Or a car where doors come next week and lights some other time. And the car producer released the car so the customers could help them to find if there is any bugs with it, and the customers could help them with how they should connect the radio.
Hopefully can more protest and that more persons do not accept this can make a change.
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No product should ever be released to the public with out being fully tested, and working to an acceptable level. If it is, do not complain if consumers exercise their right to express their displeasure.
Look, I love SS, I really do. It has a special place for me. But, I expect the product to work. I assume it will in time but would have rather seen delays in release thank allow it to hit market non finished.
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So why should we just accept that computer software products are never 100% complete when we buy them?
As far as I know so is there no other products we accept that with.
Unfortunately, I believe the fact that if this phenomenom was indeed originally "invented" with computer software, it has now reached a global level .... As most of the products we buy do contain software.
Amongst other example, I can give you several product, that are not computer software, but do contain software :
- Iphone v4 and the "non working antenna" thing,
- DVD/Blue ray players : I bought one recently, plugged it (with LAN connection), before beeing able to read my first blue ray disc, it downloaded 4 updates from internet,
- in a not computer related thing : I own a RHIB - rigid hull inflatable boat -, with an Evinrude ETEC 2 strokes outboard motor. I had a fail with the engine (I've been lucky, I was on a river, not in open sea) : the engine went into a fail safe (ah,ah,ah) mode, only run at very low rpm. There was no way to cancel the fail safe mode, I had to go back to the shop where I bought the motor. The guy told me it was a bug of the firmware release of the engine, and he upgraded my firmware, never had the same problem again after ...
- my boat engine example can be applied to cars, too. Never heard about the embedeed computers on car with epic fais ?!
Those examples are not here to justify the fact things are like this now. They just show everything works like this ...
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Denis, you are completely right about that. Sorry, my brain was a bit slow this time. And yes, the examples you brougth up are just more examples that customers have to complain, there are not many reasons for accepting this things.
There are for sure also producers who work with selling half finished products so the customers should pay for the fixing. But that is another thing.
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I just REALLY would like to have most of the ports more detailed. That kind of disappointed me in SSE :(