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Author Topic: Costa Concordia Grounded, taking on water.  (Read 80170 times)

dexter7

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Re: Costa Concordia Grounded, taking on water.
« Reply #150 on: January 16, 2012, 23:08:27 »

I saw on the news he was showing off to a friend! Showing Off!? SHOWING OFF!!?? He should be more than arrested for that kind of recklessness!
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Re: Costa Concordia Grounded, taking on water.
« Reply #151 on: January 16, 2012, 23:15:23 »

But who told the news he was showing off? how did they know?

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Re: Costa Concordia Grounded, taking on water.
« Reply #152 on: January 16, 2012, 23:18:53 »

Channel 5, no clue.. But I just heard on NBC,
The captain Abandoned the ship before the passengers were safe!What a coward..
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Re: Costa Concordia Grounded, taking on water.
« Reply #153 on: January 16, 2012, 23:21:31 »

dexter7

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Re: Costa Concordia Grounded, taking on water.
« Reply #154 on: January 16, 2012, 23:23:58 »

Pfft.. Don't get my angry. ::) I don't work at Channel 5...
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Re: Costa Concordia Grounded, taking on water.
« Reply #155 on: January 16, 2012, 23:24:52 »

i am not angry ;)

Accroding to one paper I saw once, P&O operate Dover-Dunkerque - impressive!  :doh: :doh:

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Re: Costa Concordia Grounded, taking on water.
« Reply #156 on: January 16, 2012, 23:50:53 »

:o I'm still trying to figure out why the Guest Services Manager is defending the Captain!
Oh, almost forgot,

Shame on you!!!

Like most people, I do not know the full facts relating to this accident; however I do feel that it is a shame that comments like this are posted after viewing the 'news' who are having a field day on the whole subject and will grab any rumour/ story in order to hype it up even more.

Even though the Master may ultimately be found fully responsible for the accident, I think it is a shame to see the lack of respect shown for someone who, after all, has a lot of seagoing experience, particularly before the solid facts have been identified.
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Re: Costa Concordia Grounded, taking on water.
« Reply #157 on: January 16, 2012, 23:57:45 »

Don't forget the news have a habit of "over doing" things, so they'll milk the point right till the end. So, there spinning what the captain did WAY out of proportion because they know it will get views and ratings...
So, before we jump to any conclusions, how's about we wait until we know ALL the facts before pointing the finger, eh?
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dexter7

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Re: Costa Concordia Grounded, taking on water.
« Reply #158 on: January 17, 2012, 00:12:48 »

I'l just stay out of this until all of the facts are known...
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Re: Costa Concordia Grounded, taking on water.
« Reply #159 on: January 17, 2012, 00:33:53 »

I'l just stay out of this until all of the facts are known...
Thats a good idea  ;)
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dexter7

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Re: Costa Concordia Grounded, taking on water.
« Reply #160 on: January 17, 2012, 01:13:01 »

One more thing and I'll shut up.

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Re: Costa Concordia Grounded, taking on water.
« Reply #161 on: January 17, 2012, 01:13:26 »

that was to try and save the ship...

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Re: Costa Concordia Grounded, taking on water.
« Reply #162 on: January 17, 2012, 01:15:08 »

What? She struck the rock near land!
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Re: Costa Concordia Grounded, taking on water.
« Reply #163 on: January 17, 2012, 01:15:51 »

they turned off when it was found the ship was listing

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Re: Costa Concordia Grounded, taking on water.
« Reply #164 on: January 17, 2012, 03:00:51 »

he actually saved the ship and probably a lot more lives by steering toward land
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« Reply #165 on: January 17, 2012, 14:35:43 »

Channel 5, no clue.. But I just heard on NBC,
The captain Abandoned the ship before the passengers were safe!What a coward..
the dutch news framed this as ''The best sailors... Jump offboard''
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« Reply #166 on: January 17, 2012, 18:16:07 »

One more thing and I'll shut up.

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Hello, Captain cadet is not a bad sailor guys!
Channel 5, no clue.. But I just heard on NBC,
The captain Abandoned the ship before the passengers were safe!What a coward..
----- Coward is the only thing i can say
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danny

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Re: Costa Concordia Grounded, taking on water.
« Reply #167 on: January 17, 2012, 18:30:02 »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16598232

5 more bodies have been found inside the reck of the concordia, bringing the death total up to 11. My thoughts are with the families now morning the loss of a loved on  :'(

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16591495
They have now started blasting holes in the reck to aid rescue workers
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Re: Costa Concordia Grounded, taking on water.
« Reply #168 on: January 17, 2012, 19:39:31 »

While things certainly do look very damning for the captain, don't forget that when this trial moves from the media to a court room there will be other very powerful people who will be facing some very awkward questions.  Some of these people may not be above starting a propaganda war to ensure that the blame lies firmly with the captain rather than anyone ashore in Livorno or Florida.

If the master "deviated from the programmed course" as the company claimed he did, who programmed the course and why, if as it appears did the audits which both the company and flag state are legally required to carry out not uncover these regular flagrant breaches of procedure that no-one ashore knew anything about, ever, your honour?

The company claim that he did not follow the Costa evacuation procedures, would these procedures themselves hold up to scrutiny, or will it be more convenient for everyone to be focusing on the fact that they weren't followed?

The passenger evacuation drill was delayed, there is an allowance for this to happen in SOLAS, if certain other controls are put in place (a safety video being continually played on the passenger TV circuit and passengers to receive a brief safety lecture), did the company ensure that these were in place.

Yes, it looks as though the captain has made some very serious mistakes, for which he should be made to answer, but the media are only reporting the information that they are being given, take a look at who is giving them that information.
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« Reply #169 on: January 17, 2012, 20:34:04 »

We can only guess what went on in the mind of the captain after the disaster.. Perhaps the shame and the guilt were too much for him at the moment..
As I understand it, the ship does follow a programmed course, perhaps a bit like the autopilot on a plane.
This can only be deviated from by manual input on the bridge. Evidence suggests that the captain wished to leave the normal course and sail close by the island. It seems he got a bit too close before he turned to starboard, thus damaging the port stern hull, and tried to return onto the regular course. After realizing the damage was too great he turned the ship back to the island, damaging the starboard hull as well. But by beaching the ship he did manage to facilitate the disembarkment of most of the passengers. Unfortunately not all. This will weigh heavy on his mind.
I understand he is under constant serveillance, so he does not harm himself while in prison.
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« Reply #170 on: January 17, 2012, 20:48:18 »

@Clanky:
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The passenger evacuation drill was delayed, there is an allowance for this to happen in SOLAS, if certain other controls are put in place (a safety video being continually played on the passenger TV circuit and passengers to receive a brief safety lecture), did the company ensure that these were in place.

I think that these SOLA-regulations will be tightened after the disaster.
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« Reply #171 on: January 17, 2012, 21:10:14 »

@Clanky:
I think that these SOLA-regulations will be tightened after the disaster.
I think you mean STCW.
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Re: Costa Concordia Grounded, taking on water.
« Reply #172 on: January 17, 2012, 21:15:41 »

@Clanky:
I think that these SOLA-regulations will be tightened after the disaster.


At the moment the International Maritime Organisation - which is responsible for the regulation of ship safety across the world- allow up to 24 hours after embarkation for boat drills to take place aboard a cruise vessel. I think this will be tightened, possibly in future boat drills will have to be carried out before a vessel can leave port.

However I think there will be a huge outcry from cruise companies, so my guess is that the current regulations regarding boat drills could be changed to 12 hours or even 8 hours after port departure (which would not have made a difference in Costa Concordia's case anyway).
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Re: Costa Concordia Grounded, taking on water.
« Reply #173 on: January 17, 2012, 22:04:56 »

I know I've already posted a link to this, however, theres now a video of a discussion between the Cpt and the coastgaurd commander. The coastgaurd commander is basically telling the Cpt to get aboard, it actually makes for quite interesting listening
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16598232
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Re: Costa Concordia Grounded, taking on water.
« Reply #174 on: January 17, 2012, 22:57:33 »



TFM... Heres a better photo. What is listing?
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